Introduction

Informed the natives of the operations carrying on against the blacks, and the whole of them was in tears throughout the whole of the day.
Journal of George Augustus Robinson, 26 November 1830

Next day we all reached Bothwell, where we joined the line which extended to the sea coast from the westward – all the parties before we joined had been driving the natives towards the centre, some 3500 men being placed along the line each 320 yards apart  – it was astonishing to see the mannerism by which the settlers had turned out with their own servants leaving their homes for an indefinite time. There are not many left now who can recollect the trying occasion.
Henry James Emmett (NLA MS 3311)

Black War ~ Van Diemen’s Land CSO 7578 is a site created for transcripts of the manuscript series: CSO 1/7578/316-332. The original records consist of 1 metre of original bound correspondence  held in the Tasmanian Archives and Heritage Office (TAHO), Hobart. These are viewable at TAHO on microfilm reel numbers: z1825 – z1830 and are not (yet) online. These records date from 1824-1836, the  period of leadership of Lieutenant George Arthur, the 12th Governor of Van Diemen’s Land: http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/arthur-sir-george-1721

Tasmania is constructed from the precepts of the Black War, a period of  cross cultural conflict initiated by British official occupation from 1803 that intensified by the 1820s, resulting in the Government managed Black Line campaign of 7 Oct – 24 Nov 1830 that culminated in a purported 3500 armed ‘settlers’ and military, supported by £30,000 of Government expenditure, attempting to militarily force, over a period of six weeks, Aboriginal people remaining at large in the ‘settled districts’ onto the Tasman Peninsula. Although this campaign logistically failed, it is believed that it led to the surrender of the remaining openly adversarial Aboriginal people and resulted in their subsequent exile to Flinders Island, located off north eastern Tasmania. See http://www.linc.tas.gov.au/?a=24356  for a listing of original, archival material held in TAHO relating to Tasmanian Aboriginal people and history.


Unknown artist, Governor Arthur’s Proclamation to the Aboriginal People, c.1830, oil on huon pine board; 36 x 22.8 cm, National Library of Australia, PIC R7247 LOC MS SR Cabinet 3/9, image #: nla.pic-an2291826, http://www.nla.gov.au/apps/cdview/?pi=nla.pic-an2291826&fullrecord=yes

The wood panel above is one of a rare  set of unknown original number produced in c.1830. There are seven publicly known surviving panels – held in the collections of:

  1. The Tasmanian Museum and Art Gallery, Hobart, Tasmania
  2. The Queen Victoria Museum and Art Gallery, Launceston, Tasmania
  3. The National Library of Australia, Canberra
  4. The State Library of New South Wales, Sydney
  5. The Museum of Victoria, Melbourne, Australia
  6. The Peabody Museum of Archaeology and Ethnology, Cambridge University, Boston, United States
  7. Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology, University of Cambridge, United Kingdom

These panels were the result of a recommendation to Lieutenant Governor George Arthur by Van Diemen’s Land Government Surveyor George Frankland in 1829. Frankland corresponded with Arthur about charcoal drawings he had seen in Aboriginal huts in the interior. He suggested pictographs be created, and they were – on timber, (probably) nailed to trees, and designed to communicate with Tasmanian Aboriginal people about British equality of justice, whether black or white, when other means of concluding the ‘Black War’ appeared to be failing.   (Ref: Letter from Frankland to Arthur, 4 February 1829, Tasmanian Archive and Heritage Office (TAHO), LSD 17/1 Information sourced from useful and fascinating articles by Dr. Penny Edmonds: http://recollections.nma.gov.au/issues/vol_5_no_2/papers/the_proclamation_cup_#Endnotes%201-20. And also: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14443058.2011.562227#preview)


TAHO online (website) provides this official Map of the Black Line military campaign,Van Diemen’s Land, 1830  http://stors.tas.gov.au/AUTAS001139593537
Field plan of movements of the military: No. 9: Military operations against the aboriginal inhabitants of Van Diemen’s Land / G. Frankland, surveyor general. “Ordered by the House of Commons to be printed 23rd Sepr. 1831”. 1: 390 000


This site, Black War ~ Van Diemen’s Land CSO 7578, is initially a holding place for transcriptions of  CSO* 1/316-322/7578 that will eventually enable exploration of cross cultural relations in frontier Van Diemen’s Land based on these sixteen volumes of colonial records. *CSO refers to the Colonial Secretary’s Office. Tasmania was called Van Diemen’s Land by Europeans until the cessation of convict transportation from Britain and its empire in 1853 – when the name Tasmania was officially adopted. In addition to this site providing a transcription of CSO 7578 vols 316-332 other selected transcribed documents from the same period of Governor Arthur’s office, are included from the State Library of New South Wales, Sydney (indicated by reference: SLNSW) and from the NLA (National Library of Australia, Canberra).

These documents predominately consist of correspondence to the Governor’s office by British “settlers” in Van Diemen’s Land between 1824 – 1836 requesting assistance from the Government in removing local Aboriginal people from “their lands”. They report in vivid and difficult detail the frontier violence that marked the lives, memories and subsequent relationships between Tasmanians, black and white.

Julie Gough
Hobart, Tasmania
Nov. 2012+

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86 responses to “Introduction

  1. tawatja

    this is a long overdue and necessary opening up of the archive. democratization of conversation beyond the confines of academia, professional historians and everyone else who would rather either keep it to themselves or keep the lid on one of the most shameless campaigns of ethnic cleansing in the history of the british empire.

  2. Leonie

    When are the history books going to be opened so everyone knows what happened here?

    • hi Leonie
      We have to do it ourselves – put original documents, verbatim, from that period online. Then the gaps will become obvious, even from the biased anglo records – ie: how did more than 3000 / practically all Tasmanian Aboriginal people “disappear” in one generation?…
      Julie

  3. Liarne Howarth

    Hi Julie,
    I’m a descendant from John Scott the sealer on King Island and Mary Mnnermannemener. Please contact me as I have documents, records, marriage certificates etc connecting me to them.
    Liarne

    • hi Liarne

      It’s fantastic to be in touch with you. Which daughter are you descended from ?

      • Liarne Howarth

        Hi Julie,
        My line is from Catherine Scott. I have made a CD with all the documents and photographs etc on it. Let me know where I can send it if you would like a copy. There is a lady who’s husband is from Mary anne’s line. She has done that side of the decedents.
        Are you a relative of John Scott & Mary Mnnermannemener too.

        Cheers
        Liarne

    • Paul Stott

      Hello Liarne,
      I am not a descendant of John Scott but have been interested in his story for some time. To date I have not been able to find out what happened to Mary Annes’ mother Mary. Maria died in the Furneaux Group ( Flinders Island) some years later.. Are you able to assist please. Regards, Paul Stott

      • Judith Klavins

        Hi Paul, there is a web blog at http://www.docbobdocs.com.au about ‘The Sealer’ (John Scott) and ‘The King Island Girls’ which notes that the girls mother died on King Island in mid October, 1854. This is the only reference I can find at this stage.
        Cheers,
        Judith

      • Judith Klavins

        Hi Paul, there is a web blog at http://www.docbobdocs.blogspot.com.au about ‘The Sealer’ (John Scott) and ‘The King Island Girls’ which notes that the girls mother died on King Island in mid October, 1854. This is the only reference I can find at this stage.
        Cheers,
        Judith

      • Hi Judith/Liarne/Paul,
        My research into Mary Scott is ongoing. I have been reading through the writings and journals of George Augustus Robinson also other material including the books Weep In Silence and recently The Roving Mariners the latter is a great read giving insight into the early sealing industry and the struggles, dangers and conditions of this trade. I have a few possible theories regarding Mary but nothing substantially based at this stage. Will keep you updated as more information comes to hand ..hopefully not too far away.
        Sandra

      • Hi Paul, My line is from Catherine Scott. Mary died in mid October 1854. Which only left Maria and her aged mother (Georgina or Georgia) as the only ones on King Island. However, later on Maria was taken to Flinders Island because she was the last surviving person from that original party.
        Cheers Liarne .

      • Hi Paul
        My husband is a Leggett descendant –are you related? Hi great grandfather was Captain Richard Leggett’s brother–I have been researching the Leggett family for him. Are you able to assist please.
        Regards
        Pamela Hardy wife of Rodney Thomas Hardy (grandmother Caroline Mary Alice Leggett)

      • Paul Stott

        Hello Pamela. Richard Leggett was my mother’s grandfather. Her father was Walter, youngest son of Richard. Use my email if you wish. Regards PaulS

      • Hi Paul
        May I have your email address please. Mine is pamsbali@gmail.com
        I have so many questions to ask you. Thank you for your quick reply
        Pamela Hardy

    • Judith Klavins

      Hi Liarne and Julie, I am related to Mary Anne Scot (t). Her son Frederick Adolphus Smith is my great grandfather. I would be really interested in any information such as photo’s etc of Mary Anne Scott or Kitty Scott. I have had a wonderful chat with Sandra Hayman. Judith

      • Hi Judith, my line is from kitty Scott. I have everything about that line right down to me. I can send you a CD or email you the paper work. It wont be until next week as I am not well at the moment. Nice to know I have more relatives out there. Warm Regards Liarne

      • Paul Stott

        Hello Judith, Mary Anne spent a short time at Robbins Island in 1851 in the service of Mrs David Howie before returning to King Island. Mrs Howie was nee Mary Bogue who married David Howie in Launceston in November 1850. I am interested in any information about Mary Bogue who drowned at Stanley in August 1851.. Regards Paul Stott

      • Hi Paul, I am related to Catherine (Kitty Scott). I have made a CD with all the certificates and notes & some photographs on it right down to me. I can either send you a CD or send you the info via email, however, there is quite a lot.
        Liarne

      • Paul Stott

        Thank you very much for replying to my question Liarne. I would be most interested to see the info that you have gathered.. A disc to 113 Brickport Road, Burnie, 7320 would be most appreciated. Please enclose address details for me to pay you. Regards from Paul Stott.

    • Kylie

      I’m a descendant from John Scott the sealer on King Island and Mary Mannermannemener too! From their daughter Esther Brown Scott! Ill have to read more into this, i would love to see all you have!! I have a few items too kylie.simmons@live.com

    • Kylie

      I’m a descendant from John Scott the sealer on King Island and Mary Mannermannemener too! From their daughter Esther Brown Scott! I would love to see all you have! I have a few items too kylie.simmons@live.com

      • carol dennis

        There is a grave for Esther Brown at Evandale Tasmania, Born 1814 Died January 25 1878. Other writing on the headstone has worn away.

      • shayman63

        Kylie and Carol.. I may be able to provide you with some information. If you wish to contact me my email address is sanstu@bigpond.com
        Thanks

    • Jenni Kift

      I think we are related to Esther Scott one of his daughters

  4. Sandra

    Hi Liarne, I am the great great great granddaughter of John Scott and Mary. Their daughter Mary is who I am descended from she married George Smith a convict. I also have all documents including convict records, death, marriage and birth certificates tracing my heritage. It would be great to hear from you.

    • Liarne Howarth

      Hi Sandra,
      It was great to hear from you. I’m also the great, great, great granddaughter of John Scott & Mary Mnnermannemener too. Would you like a CD of my line from Catherine Scott their daughter. Or are you only doing your heritage from Mary Anne. Let me know if you want me to send you a copy.
      Have you got anything on Thomas Scott?. I have found him on Catherine & Francis Symonds Wedding Certificate and Catherines Death Certificate. The later one had him down as a sailor and he was 35 years old at the time. Do you know Mary & Bill Cooper?. Bill is a descendent of Mary Anne Scott too.
      Looking forward to hearing from you. Liarne

      • Hi Liarne, Thank you for your reply. Do you know about the journal of John Scott which is at the Tasmanian Archives? I transcribed it and that is at the archives also with my contact details. I don’t know much about Thomas however I will go over my records which I haven’t been through for quite awhile and see what I have that I can share with you. I made contact some time ago with Gwen and Viv Cooper who is a relative also, we send each other Chrissy cards. I am thinking she is related to Mary and Bill Cooper? Do you have any contact details for them. I found Gwen and Viv through the Were family. Edward Smith my great grandfather is the son of Mary Anne he married Selena Were. The Were family did much research and compiled a book about their family. They didn’t know much about my line of the family I was able to fill them in on what I knew. My mum who is still alive didn’t know her father who is Mary Anne’s grandson. When I contacted the Were family they were overjoyed to hear from me as we were the missing part of the family. This only happened in 2006-2007. I would love to find out more about Catherine as I know very little about her. Did she and Mary Anne get taken to the mainland after John Scott drowned I think Mary Anne left went back to Tasmania and married a convict by the name of George Smith I have some records. I have many certificates if you would like any copies of anything I am more than happy to share with you what I have. I would love a copy of the cd re Catherine to see what happened to her. Could you give me contact details of Mary and Bill Cooper or pass my details onto them. Looking forward in hearing from you .. Many thanks Sandra

  5. Sandra

    Just realised I put my personal details below my last post .. can you please edit /delete these for me .. thankyou

  6. Sandra

    Hi Liarne, Thank you for your reply. Do you know about the journal of John Scott which is at the Tasmanian Archives? I transcribed it and that is at the archives also with my contact details. I don’t know much about Thomas however I will go over my records which I haven’t been through for quite awhile and see what I have that I can share with you. I made contact some time ago with Gwen and Viv Cooper who is a relative also, we send each other Chrissy cards. I am thinking she is related to Mary and Bill Cooper? Do you have any contact details for them. I found Gwen and Viv through the Were family. Edward Smith my great grandfather is the son of Mary Anne he married Selena Were. The Were family did much research and compiled a book about their family. They didn’t know much about my line of the family I was able to fill them in on what I knew. My mum who is still alive didn’t know her father who is Mary Anne’s grandson. When I contacted the Were family they were overjoyed to hear from me as we were the missing part of the family. This only happened in 2006-2007. I would love to find out more about Catherine as I know very little about her. Did she and Mary Anne get taken to the mainland after John Scott drowned I think Mary Anne left went back to Tasmania and married a convict by the name of George Smith I have some records. I have many certificates if you would like any copies of anything I am more than happy to share with you what I have. I would love a copy of the cd re Catherine to see what happened to her. Could you give me contact details of Mary and Bill Cooper or pass my details onto them. Looking forward in hearing from you .. Many thanks Sandra

    • Liarne Howarth

      Hi Sandra and Julie,

      Mary and Maria are two different women.I reference this through John Scott’s Journal and other information gathered. This is all on my CD. Sandra I can’t see your personal information any where. Maybe I’m not looking in the right spot.
      Cheers
      Liarne

      • Peter bakker

        Liarne,
        Please send me a copy of your CD on John and Mary Scott. Let me know about cost to reimburse you and by what means e.g. PayPal or bank deposit.
        Thank you for the huge amount of work that you have put into this research. phbakker@bigpond.net.au
        Thank you – Peter Bakker

      • Ryan Brown

        Hi Liarne,
        I am also researching my family tree and I am a little confused when I get to Esther Scott. Is Esther Scott the daughter of John Scott & Mary Mannermannemener? If that is correct and that Esther Scott married Henry John Brown then I am related. If you could please contact me ryanbrown8210@yahoo.com.au or on the phone 0402 282 821. I currently live in Perth. I am interested to see if you have any information that would confirm this.

    • Tom

      Has anyone got further info on the Mary Anne who married George Smith? Particularly any children they had? It’s in relation. To my wife’s family who are Byles
      Thanks
      Tom

  7. hi LIarne and Sandra – I am sorry to have been a bit off the radar lately ! I will email you off site and pass your emails to each other. I am VERY pleased to see lots of reconnections happening between Maria and John Scott’s descendants – your family is one of the missing presumed ‘lost’ famiilies – a big Tassie + King Island reunion is in order I reckon !
    Julie

  8. Raine Brand

    Hi Julie
    What an amazing project and so enlightening. I came across this today while searching for information about Cluny and Bothwell in relation to an online course I am currently doing with UTAS on researching family history. My 3rd great grandparents, both convicts, William Worsley and Ann Davis were living at Upper Cluny, Bothwell and Native Hut Rivulet from 1831 – 1839 and had three children during this time. William was a labourer at Cluny and Ann was a house servant assigned to Mr McPherson of Cluny.
    Thank you.
    Raine Brand

  9. Judith

    Hi Liarne and Paul,
    Thank you for replying to my message.
    Liarne – I would be very interested in any informaton about Kitty, thanks. I have my family tree back to Mary Anne. I found some details out from Sandra about John Scott and his family plus also searching the internet. I am happy to share what I have.
    Paul – you have added a little more to what I know about Mary Anne, thank you. I don`t know any details abou Howie`s wife unfortunately.
    Regards,
    Judith

  10. Kylie

    Hi all, I’m a descendant from John Scott the sealer on King Island and Mary Mannermannemener! From their daughter Esther Brown Scott! I would like to see John Scotts diary, where would I find this? Also is there anything more on Mannermannemener? I would love a reunion! Wow

    • Kylie I am overjoyed to hear from you I gave wondered about Esther the journal of John Scott is available for viewing online Google John Scott journal its held at the Tadmsnian Archives I transcribed it some years ago that is also held at the archives and available for viewing online it is an easier format to read than the original document.. It’s great to connect with you..l have connected with other descendants not all on this thread a reunion would be awesome !!! I am in Sydney we seem to be scattered where are you located ?

      • Carol Dennis

        Hi I am a direct descendant of John Scott and Mary. Clara Langley was my great grandmother. I have just discovered some very interesting information about this family tree and am surprised at all the relatives I must have and not known about. I am from Perth, Tasmania.

      • Thanks for being in touch with everyone here,
        Julie Gough

  11. Hi all,
    I’m trying to make contact with descendants of Maria and John Thomas Scott. Our line is the ?eldest daughter Esther who married Henry Brown…

    • sue morgan

      Hi,
      I’m also related to Esther Scott and Henry Brown, we are currently also looking for information about Esther, my Great Grandfather was Henry a son ot Esther and Henry.

  12. Peter Bakker

    Liarne,
    I have been researching the Scott family descendants on and off for around 4 years. I would be very much like to request a copy of your “CD with all the certificates and notes & some photographs”. My address is 3 Blackledge Drive, Cranbourne East, Victoria, 3977. I am happy to contribute to the cost of the CD and mailing. If there is any information that i have that is not on your CD I will pass it on to you.
    For all those interested you should be aware that Anne Drysdale wrote her own diary of her life on the Bellarine Peninsula and made several short references to Kitty and Mary Ann Scott. State Library of Victoria: MS 6294, MS 6208, MS 9249 and H15215. Online section available at http://ergo.slv.vic.gov.au/image/diary-anne-drysdale-september-1839-may-1854. Bev Roberts wrote an article, ‘A Black Apron View of History? Anne Drysdale & Caroline Newcomb, Victoria’s lady squatters’ in La Trobeana – Journal of the C. J. La Trobe Society Inc. Vol.9, No. 3, November 2010. The taking in of two part Aboriginal girls, Mary Ann and Kitty Scott is discussed on page 14 of this article.

    Peter Bakker

  13. Hi Julie,
    I am not sure if it is ok to post this here, but please let me know if not. I thought there may be people interested, given that so many have connected on your page in relation to John Scott, Mary and their extended family, including Maria.
    I thought I would just post that I have an art exhibition coming up at the Allport Library and Museum of Fine Art Gallery in Hobart which opens on Friday 14th October, 2016 – 25th February, 2017 which responds to the manuscript diary of John Scott. My work includes a series of linoprints, oil paintings and other works and the Gallery is planning to have John Scott’s diary on display. The exhibition is titled ‘Stories in Ink: John Scott’s diary 1836-1843, King Island, Tasmania. Everyone is welcome and I hope it adds to family connections being made! I would love to meet you all on Opening night!
    Regards,
    Judith Klavins

    • Hi Judith
      I wanted to be in touch to let you know I was away and sadly missed meeting you in Hobart, but did manage to catch your exhibition in Allport – which was fantastic and very cohesive and compelling. I look forward to meeting you one day and would love to attend what I hope will be a huge Tasmanian Maria / Scott family reunion one day !
      Julie Gough

      • Judith Klavins

        Hi Julie,
        Thank you very much for your very kind message. It means a lot to know you and others have enjoyed the exhibition. I received so many lovely messages from visitors, and the gallery staff said it prompted lots of discussion which is fantastic. I would love to have some memorial on King Island one day for John, Mary, Maria and their extended family. It would be so fitting to have it at the hut/s site overlooking Christmas and New Years islands. I might speak to the National Parks Heritage Officer about it.
        Judith

      • Judith Klavins

        Hi Juile,
        I forgot to say I also got to meet my lovely new found relative Liarne and her son who came all the way from Coffs Harbour to the Opening night and Graeme Broxam who opened the night with a wonderful talk about John Scot and his extended family. Also Sandra Gaal Hayman and I prepared some poems to relate to each diary entry and linoprint which we would one day love to share with others beyond it being a catalogue. We are not sure how to do this but when we have time we will investigate further. I would love to catch up one day for a coffee if you are in Adelaide!!
        Judith

  14. Carolyn Woods

    Hi Liarne,
    Im descendant from Mary Ann Scott and George Smith through their child Walter William Smith.
    I would love a copy of your cd – happy to reimburse for costs etc. Also interested in any information about John Scott and Mary and both their daughters etc.
    Please email : carolyn.woods@adelaide.edu.au,
    thanks,
    Carolyn

  15. Hi, I think I am a descendant of John Scott 1770-1843 and Mary (Tasmanian Aboriginal) 1800- ??? Henry Brown 1798-1880 who appears to be a child ?? who married Esther Scott they then had children and one of those children (Jessie Brown 1841-1915) she married Edward Langley who is the grandfather of my grandfather (Neville Francis Langley Izard). I am wondering if anyone has any information about Mary ? I am happy to pay for any documents that will tell me more about her life – I believe her husband John Scott drowned ? in 1843 – they all lived on King Island and I think after the drowning the family was separated and Jessie came to mainland Tasmania where she met Edward Langley a Labourer and they were married at Evandale. But I would really like just some info about Mary – was she abducted ? sold ? such a sad story but I really would like to know my history if anyone can assist. my email is either mbr74507@bigpond.com or kelly.brown@police.tas.gov.au

  16. Mark

    Hi, Thanks for providing the transcriptions. They’re very interesting.
    There is one page – page 344 – where you have transcribed a letter authored by AA Hortell. I’ve been researching the Hollow Tree history from afar (I live in Canberra) and I cannot view the microfiche to determine if your transcription is correct. I wonder if the author was in fact HB Torlesse? On the face of it, quite a different name. But with cursive handwriting, things can seem quite different, especially when you don’t know what the name is meant to be.

    My question is – would you be able to review that page again and consider if the author of the letter could have been Torlesse?

    Torlesse was responsible for managing Montacute until Captain Langdon arrived to permanently live there.

    Also – on pages 340-341, you appear to have had difficulty transcribing a name. You have recorded “… Hut belong to Mr ..tley which they set fire to but upon Tybley and two others making their appearance they left in the direction off Blackmans ……” I believe, from my research, that “Mr ..tley” and “Tybley” were in fact “Sibley” [William Sibley, who lived next to Adam Thomson, in the vicinity of Blackman’s Hill].

    kind regards

    • Hi there I have my step father’s family tree of Scotts and also kitty comes into the tree to they end up in pymble nsw with the bowman family which also leads to partridge family and John randall I would love a copy of all the information made possible as I’m helping to bring a family together again with all my heart
      Kevin McMahon

  17. Donna Burke

    Hi wondering if someone can help me with some information on Richard Brown married Sophia Skarrett in Launceston, Richard apparently is the son of Henry Brown and Esther Scott, and is my great great grandfather, the family are of aboriginal descent, not sure if this is the correct family or not any help most appreciated thanks Donna Burke

    • Snugent@bigpond.net.au

      Hi Donna can u contact me on snugent@bigpond.net.au, I have a Richard Brown son of Henry and Esther Scott….

      Fran

      • Kelly Brown

        I am a direct descendant of Mary Mananamener (Tasmanian aboriginal (spelling may be incorrect) and John Scott. – Esther Brown was their oldest daughter and her grave is at Evandale in Tasmania. She was put in to service 1817 when she was very young around 10 years old and worked at a Dr Landales property in Tasmania for some time. My side starts at Mary and John, then Esther Brown nee Scott, she marred Henry Brown and one of their daughters Jessie Brown married Edward Langley, -their daughter Clara Langley is my Great Grand mother. I have been to Esthers grave – the headstone is beautiful. I do have pics of it – if I can work out how to upload it on here I will. My sister has done quite a bit of research on our family tree.
        Fran also above has given us quite a bit of info – she is well researched too 🙂 so you will probably be able to find out a lot more about this wonderful discovery. The journals of John Scott are online too (I think someone else has commented on here about those for you.)
        Regards Kelly Brown.

      • HI Kelly
        Thanks for sharing your amazing family history. I am a descendant of Dalrymple Briggs who was an (Aboriginal) child servant of Dr Jacob Mountgarrett near Longford. I am also a bit obsessed with working out which Aboriginal children were living with which colonists and when, and a lot seem to have been doctors… Very sad and worrying times. That is fascinating news about Esther’s life and I am currently staying in Launceston so want to go and look at Esther’s tombstone while I am up here ! Do you know which cemetery or maybe there is only one there ? All the best – Julie

      • Paul Stott

        Hello Julie,
        In your search for aboriginal children living with colonists I wonder if you have found/located details of a female named Black Mogg in service with the Plummer family on the West Tamar? Thank you

      • Hi Paul
        This is very interesting. I have heard of a Black Mogg but not sure where – and will try to find this.
        Mog might mean Margaret? and one of my Tasmanian Aboriginal ancestors was renamed Margaret, I think in 1831, on Flinders Island after her arrival. She had been to and from the Tamar region a lot since at least the 1809 period.
        I just quickly looked up pre 1840s records for PLUMMER, in Launceston on the Tas. Archives TAHO website – names index. There were 7 records.
        One is for an ELLEN PLUMMER, born 10/5/1830 to George and Sarah Plummer, Tamar River, he was a SHIPWRIGHT. Baptism date: 19/8/1832. by Rev Browne, Launceston. ref: 580 / 4532: https://librariestas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/names/search/detailnonmodal/ent:$002f$002fNAME_INDEXES$002f0$002fNAME_INDEXES:1082192/one
        This is interesting because:
        [1] the date range is early enough for a tribal Aboriginal people to be known to this family – pre the majority being exiled to Flinders Island.
        [2] Shipwright trade makes sense in terms of being in contact with Aboriginal people. Most Aboriginal people who survived beyond the 1830s had lived with, were fathered by, taken by etc non Aboriginal men who were seafarers/sealers,etc, or in involved industries: Parish the Pilot, etc. the 3rd …
        [3] reason this Plummer family might have been in touch with Aboriginal, and/or people of colour from elsewhere – is also linked to the seafaring trades, which were very multicultural – and so, also baptised on the same day at Ellen, was WILLIAM GRIFFITHS, son of John and Elizabeth GRIFFITHS, Launceston. Ref: 481/4534. Griffith’s snr. trade was MASTER MARINER, and many sealing men, including my BRIGGS, sealer ancestor,father of Aboriginal children, worked for Griffiths.
        and so – the boxes are all lined up for Black Mogg to either be an Aboriginal or a person of colour, known to this Plummer family.
        Where have you found this reference!?
        I am happy to help further etc.
        Julie

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  18. Kelly Brown

    Hi Julie – Yes her head stone is at the St Andrews Uniting (Presbysterian) Church at 9 High Street Evandale. White picket fence out the front. Her resting place is on the left hand side of the church. It is very large and high – you cant miss it. It is a cement sandstone colour – very weathered and some of the writing is hard to read. It is a large square block with an angel on the top. It is very beautiful actually. Brought a tear to my eye knowing she was my direct line. The writing about her is on the front and the other 3 sides have some of other family members buried there as well. I have a couple of things from the aborginal centre here in Tas. ie: its a type of certificate headed “the Scott family” with John Scott alias “old scott” and “Maria” (which is Mary) Mannermannemener abducted by Munro Sealer. reported at King Island 1831. Living at Flinders Island in 1863 (Maria Scott) “Granny Maria” – First filial Generation F1 to a ?
    1. Esther b ca. 1817
    2. Jane b ca. 1823
    3.? this is blank
    4. Son b 1831
    5. Kitty b 1831
    6. Mary b 1838
    Second filial generation
    1. Esther Scott living with Dr Landale in Launceston 1827 aged 10 years – no further data
    2. Jane Scott m. David Kelly
    3. no data
    4. son Taken to Port Phillip 1843 no further data

    John Scotts journals are also on line (but you probably already know that).. .I actually printed them off and they are wonderful reading. He talks about Mary and their children. I really think he did love her..
    I you would like to send me an email to kelly.brown@police.tas.gov.au I can try and up load a couple of the documents I have. Including a page on the manner manne mener tribe which my sister found in tassy history book.
    Regards

    Kelly Brown.

    • Carol Dennis

      Hi Kelly, I tried to email you but your email address given in you letter is not being sent ?due to police govt address? do you have another email

    • Hi Kelly
      Thanks for the further information about the tombstone.
      I didn’t manage to see it while north the other day, but will do so asap.
      I am surprised she has her own headstone, being Aboriginal during those times.
      Your Scott history is very fascinating, especially great now with so many descendants finding each other – fantastic !
      I come from Woretemoeteyenner and George Briggs (a ‘sealer’), via their daughter Dalrymple Briggs.
      All the best
      Julie

  19. Paul Stott

    Hello Julie,
    Thanks for replying, I hope you find this reply.
    I have been uncovering the story of Black Mogg for quite some time now and am bringing the loose ends together.
    Beginning at the end of her life going backwards.:
    Burial service in Stanley 27.8.1851 named Moggy, aged about 60. Aboriginal Native from NSW. Home Robins Is. Nurse.
    Registered death 23.8.1851. Aged 50. Drowned.
    Inquest into her death, 23.8.1851
    Drowned in boating accident at Stanley Wednesday 20.8.1851. Named as a well-known Native called Black Mogg.
    1842 – A female native from Spencers Gulf who assisted in enticing the last free Tas. Aborigines into a boat on the West Coast of Tas. was named as Black Mogg many years later.
    In Service of George Plummer’s family on West Tamar. George Plummer had married a daughter of John Griffiths Sen. when in NSW
    Now go to the other end of her story and work forward.
    Abducted by crew from an American Sealer/Whaler at Spencer Gulf.
    Taken to South Island of New Zealand where the crew of the vessel who landed were eaten by Maories,
    She hid with her boy for some time eluding capture.
    Was rescued by passing vessel and returned to NSW where she was thought to be a Maori and was going to be returned to NZ.Did not happen.
    Not sure which came first – Little Moggy and Big Moggy Island off South Island of NZ are thought by some to be named after our Black Mogg!
    Black Mogg in New Zealand is reverred by some.
    At present I am finalising the story of the Stanley part of the equation. Old rumours hard quash.
    If these two ends of her story come together I think she is worthy of some kind of recognition.
    Special note. For many years it has been said that Balck Mogg was the wife of David Howie of Cataraqui fame. Not so Mary Bogue was his wife and her body wasn’t located after the boating accident.
    Thanks for your help and interest.
    My work is of interest only,no commercial connections.

    . .

  20. Paul Stott

    Hello again Graeme,

    Here is another chat room that has some interesting info.

    You may already be receiving.

    John Scot relatives are under every tree!

    PaulS

    • Sandra Hayman

      Paul,
      I can’t speak for all descendants however the branch of my ancestral family tree was lost for many years due to some very tragic circumstances endured by my family. I find your comment about my ancestor and “his relatives being under every tree” a little insensitive and unnecessary. Being a descendant of Mary Ann Scott through one of her 11 children ..I know there are many relatives in her line alone..due to terrible circumstances ancestral history, culture and identity has been lost for many of them ..only until recently has it been found. This is sadly a common occurrence for many Palawa people. I’m proud of my history my ancestors and I’m thankful for those who as you say are “under every tree” that they can finally be known.. stand, be proud and finally be counted.

      • Liarne Howarth

        I totally agree with you Sandra. I’m very proud of my ancestry and so are my siblings and their children.

      • Hi Sandra, I’ve been wondering about old John Scott. I think he was tried in Old Monkton (near Glasgow)(?), and was at the first ‘settlement’ on to Norfolk Island (?). Do you know any more details about his birth and life pre King Island ? Thanks – Julie

  21. Sandra,
    Do u have knowledge of Palawa tribe (or language) is this the same as Nuenonne tribe (or language) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuenonne_language

    Thanks, Sandra

    • shayman63

      Hi Fran,
      I was not aware of this.. maybe someone can provide us more information..
      Sandra

      • Carol Dennis

        I would like to know where Marys name Mnnermannemener came from, did someone see it documented? I would like to see it written. Readings I have done indicates the Palawa people are Tasmanian Aborigines. An interesting book to read about the Tas. Aboriginals is Community of Thieves by Cassabdra Pybus published 1992 by Minerva Australia.

      • The Tasmanian Aborigines and their descendants : chronology, genealogies and social data /​ by Bill Mollison and Coral Everitt ; edited as a combined ed. by Phil Hackett. Abt 1978

    • Carol Dennis

      I have found that the Nuenonne people were those who lived on Bruny Island. From the book Community of Thieves by Cassandra Pybus.

      • Yes but are u saying that Maria/Mary Manner-manne-mener, came from the tribe Palawa? Because if so it is a first! As I have her belonging to another tribe?

      • There is no palawa tribe. This is a modern use of one of the historically recorded Aboriginal Tasmanian words for “Black man/person”. Another parallel word in use today is “pakana” . By adopting these terms you are indicating you have a traceable lineage to known historic Aboriginal Tasmanian people. It is similar to saying you are Koorie or Murri in Victoria or Queensland; a Tasmanian version, instead of saying “Aboriginal”. Palawa/pakana has no tribal equivalence or designation.

      • Yes Scott was a convict: Scott’s brother William Court Conviction & Hanging
        3 Dec 1788 • Glasgow before William Honeyman, sheriff deputy
        Convicted of 3 charges of House Breaking & Theft. William SCOTT was hanged in Glasgow Gaol and his brother John SCOTT reprieved & transported to Australia!

      • Many thanks – that’s fascinating! My father is from Glasgow ! On mum’s side some ancestors were on Norfolk Island: John Cox/Ann Brooks and children, then they went to Norfolk Plains, VDL, in 1813. So this is the John Scott who went to Norfolk Island, then left to be a sealer (somehow) ? – Julie

      • Hi Julie,
        John Scott was born 7th June 1770 in Motherwell Lanarkshire Scotland, charged with break and entering was convicted on 30th October 1788. His brother William was sentenced to death and hung. John Scott was granted clemency and transported to VDL for 7 years. He was transported to Sydney Cove NSW on the ship “The Pitt” June 1791 he settled on King Island. John Scott had 2 sons and 6 daughters with Mary (some believe possibly other women?) between 1814-1843. His children are Esther Scott 1814-1831..Sarah Scott 1819 baptised 1/10/1826. ..Jane Scott 1823..Thomas Scott 1831…Mary Ann Scott 1835-1914..Catherine/Kitty Scott 1838-1867..John Scott May 1841-Oct 1841..infant daughter Scott who drowned in 1843. Five latter children are in the journal of John Scott however it commences from 1836 the earlier children most likely not on King Island from that time. After the drowning of her father Mary Ann and Catherine/Kitty were living with Anne Drysdale on the mainland. Mary Ann made her way back to Tasmania with her an infant daughter named Janet who was placed into the Queens Orphanage in Hobart.. after being deserted by her first husband.. sadly Janet died in the orphanage aged 4 years. Mary Ann returned to King Island working with her mother Mary and Maria for David Howie. It’s reported in a few articles that a 14 year old daughter of John Scott was living with a sealer named Kelly .. in N.J.B Plomley’s book “Weep In Silence” I recall reading about the mistreatment of one of Scott’s daughters ( I need to revisit the book again as it’s been awhile). Finally there is an interesting online article called “ I Succeeded Once” The Aboriginal Protectorate on the Mornington Peninsula 1839-1840. It references a daughter of John Scott of King Island living with a sealer named Kelly. I need to cross reference this…? I hope this info is useful to others here ..Sandra

      • Hi Sandra – Thanks a lot for all of this information. I didn’t realise until recently that Esther Scott has a lot of descendants, 12 children?, and is buried at Evandale (Still need to visit) – so not only descendants from Kitty and Mary Ann, and also that Jane Scott may have descendants. I have ancestors who were sent on the Pitt from England to Sydney ! : Ann Brooks, snr and jnr – I wonder if it was the same voyage as John Scott ? I don’t understand how he was sentenced and managed not to serve it fully – was it for 7 years ? and then did he first stay on Norfolk Island? until it was served to 1795 ? I do know the article you mention – a great read. Also wonder if Scott’s children’s names match his parents / family names. Also, when he drowned in 1843 – he was at an advanced age of 73 years, and still with young children/ toddlers ! I didn’t know his birth date etc. Has anyone linked up with his family / Scott descendants who stayed behind in Scotland ? Thanks again ! – Julie

      • Carol Dennis

        The book ‘Friendly Mission’, journals and papers by George Robinson 1829-1834, edited by Plomley 2nd edition Queen Victoria Museum and Art Gallery and Quintus Publishing. 2008. mentions the Launceston half castes (Esther) Mary and her aboriginal name and Maria being abducted by Munroe etc. It answers a lot of questions I have, being new to this research, and I am grateful to the people who have given some of their info. relating to John Scott (old) and Mary MAN.NER.MAN.NE.ME.NER. as documented in Friendly Mission. Thank you.

  22. Ok thanks for that it make sense, Palawa is a general term form Aboriginal in Tasmania it is not a tribe..

  23. Regarding John Scott who was transported to VDL. His brother William’s Letter….https://digital.nls.uk/broadsides/view/?id=16816&transcript=1

    • WOW – what an incredible piece of news reporting – so public. It is so fascinating and sad, and also interesting that John remained religious to the end, even after the fate of his brother. MANY thanks for sharing this.

  24. For descendants of John Scott and Mary of King Island. I created a Facebook page in 2015 but it has been inactive until now. Due to the obstacles and challenges in discovering who I am and where I belong..thought it may be helpful for us all to share and discuss information.
    The page is called Descendants of John Scott & Mary – King Island
    Send a request and I can add you. Let’s all stand together.. Sandra

    • The legacy of war leaves enduring chaos. It’s time this was recognised as being just as real in Tasmania after the Black war as it has been in any other theatre of conflict. Our families were disrupted by the events of the 1820s and pretending this doesn’t really matter isn’t helpful. Aboriginal families are just as human as any other ‘veterans’.

  25. Hello to SCOTT descendants.

    It seems that the Esther SCOTT born 7 October 1814 who married convict Henry BROWN on 25th January 1831 in Launceston Tasmania and was buried in Morven (Evandale) on 25 January 1878 exactly matches another (non Aboriginal) Esther SCOTT who was three years older than the now missing? (born 1817, Aboriginal) Esther Scott…

    Deaths:
    Henry BROWN (1798-1880) and wife Esther (nee SCOTT)(1814-1878)

    Name: Brown, Esther
    Record Type: Deaths
    Gender: Female
    Age: 64
    Date of death: 25 Jan 1878
    Registered: Morven
    Registration year: 1878
    Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1211300
    Resource: RGD35/1/47 no 385
    https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD35-1-47p111j2k

    Name: Brown, Henry
    Record Type: Deaths
    Gender: Male
    Age: 82
    Date of death: 14 Aug 1880
    Registered: Morven
    Registration year: 1880
    Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1162467
    Resource: RGD35/1/49 no 465
    https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD35-1-49p120j2k

    Burial:
    Tasmanian Cemeteries – Evandale
    St Andrews Presbyterian Cemetery
    Esther BROWN
    Died 25 Jan 1878
    Aged 64 years
    http://thegardensfamily.com/cemeteries/Evandale/Presbyterian/index.htm

    Obituary:
    DEATHS.
    BROWN—At her residence, Blessington, near Evandale, on the 25th January, Esther, the wife of Henry
    Brown, aged 64, leaving a family of fourteen to mourn her loss.
    Launceston Examiner 26 January 1878
    http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/47782568

    Esther Scott (daughter of convicts) was born on 7 October 1814 and baptised in January 1819 in Launceston. Her parents were Thomas Scott and Mary Tracey/Tracy.
    The Baptism reference for this Esther Scott is NS373/1/5. See:
    https://librariestas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/all/search/results?qu=ns373%2F1%2F5
    Convict Mary Tracey to NSW per “Experiment” – see:
    https://stors.tas.gov.au/CON13-1-1$init=CON13-1-1p29
    Thomas Scott arrived in Sydney per Sophia in 1806 [see below]
    See also article online by Danny Crothers: “The first Thomas Tasmanian Thomas Scott”
    In: Tas Ancestry, March 2005, p.210:
    http://www.tasfhs.org/Volume%2025.pdf
    – which notes that an Esther Scott was born on the above date to Thomas Scott and Mary Treacy [Tracy]

    This article suggests that this Esther Scott married Henry Brown in 1831 as does the link below:
    https://www.ancestry.com/boards/localities.oceania.australia.tas.general/3720/mb.ashx

    CSO1/122A [known as the children’s Census of 1827] currently seems to be the last record showing (the Aboriginal) Esther Scott – who is then listed as: 10 years old, “half caste”, and her Guardian is Dr Landale. In 1831 (when the other Esther Scott married Henry Brown) this Esther Scott was only 14 years old.

    This Esther Scott is also noted in Mollison’s volume on Aboriginal Genealogies as a daughter of John Scott:
    See:
    https://librariestas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/all/search/results?qu=bill&qu=mollison

    I’m wondering whether any descendants of Esther Brown (nee SCOTT) have or might take an Ancestry (etc) DNA test/s (+ GEDMATCH upload etc) to check if they match with descendants of Kitty Scott and Mary Ann Scott who have DNA tested ?

    Wondering also how/why the/some? descendants of this Esther Brown nee Scott (daughter of convicts) think they descend from the Aboriginal Esther Scott ?

    Other thoughts ?

    Julie

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