Informed the natives of the operations carrying on against the blacks, and the whole of them was in tears throughout the whole of the day.
Journal of George Augustus Robinson, 26 November 1830

Next day we all reached Bothwell, where we joined the line which extended to the sea coast from the westward – all the parties before we joined had been driving the natives towards the centre, some 3500 men being placed along the line each 320 yards apart  – it was astonishing to see the mannerism by which the settlers had turned out with their own servants leaving their homes for an indefinite time. There are not many left now who can recollect the trying occasion.
Henry James Emmett (NLA MS 3311)

Black War ~ Van Diemen’s Land CSO 7578 is a site created for transcripts of the manuscript series: CSO 1/7578/316-332. The original records consist of 1 metre of original bound correspondence  held in the Tasmanian Archives and Heritage Office (TAHO), Hobart. These are viewable at TAHO on microfilm reel numbers: z1825 – z1830 and are not (yet) online. These records date from 1824-1836, the  period of leadership of Lieutenant George Arthur, the 12th Governor of Van Diemen’s Land:

Tasmania is constructed from the precepts of the Black War, a period of  cross cultural conflict initiated by British official occupation from 1803 that intensified by the 1820s, resulting in the Government managed Black Line campaign of 7 Oct – 24 Nov 1830 that culminated in a purported 3500 armed ‘settlers’ and military, supported by £30,000 of Government expenditure, attempting to militarily force, over a period of six weeks, Aboriginal people remaining at large in the ‘settled districts’ onto the Tasman Peninsula. Although this campaign logistically failed, it is believed that it led to the surrender of the remaining openly adversarial Aboriginal people and resulted in their subsequent exile to Flinders Island, located off north eastern Tasmania. See  for a listing of original, archival material held in TAHO relating to Tasmanian Aboriginal people and history.

Unknown artist, Governor Arthur’s Proclamation to the Aboriginal People, c.1830, oil on huon pine board; 36 x 22.8 cm, National Library of Australia, PIC R7247 LOC MS SR Cabinet 3/9, image #: nla.pic-an2291826,

The wood panel above is one of a rare  set of unknown original number produced in c.1830. There are seven publicly known surviving panels – held in the collections of:

  1. The Tasmanian Museum and Art Gallery, Hobart, Tasmania
  2. The Queen Victoria Museum and Art Gallery, Launceston, Tasmania
  3. The National Library of Australia, Canberra
  4. The State Library of New South Wales, Sydney
  5. The Museum of Victoria, Melbourne, Australia
  6. The Peabody Museum of Archaeology and Ethnology, Cambridge University, Boston, United States
  7. Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology, University of Cambridge, United Kingdom

These panels were the result of a recommendation to Lieutenant Governor George Arthur by Van Diemen’s Land Government Surveyor George Frankland in 1829. Frankland corresponded with Arthur about charcoal drawings he had seen in Aboriginal huts in the interior. He suggested pictographs be created, and they were – on timber, (probably) nailed to trees, and designed to communicate with Tasmanian Aboriginal people about British equality of justice, whether black or white, when other means of concluding the ‘Black War’ appeared to be failing.   (Ref: Letter from Frankland to Arthur, 4 February 1829, Tasmanian Archive and Heritage Office (TAHO), LSD 17/1 Information sourced from useful and fascinating articles by Dr. Penny Edmonds: And also:

TAHO online (website) provides this official Map of the Black Line military campaign,Van Diemen’s Land, 1830
Field plan of movements of the military: No. 9: Military operations against the aboriginal inhabitants of Van Diemen’s Land / G. Frankland, surveyor general. “Ordered by the House of Commons to be printed 23rd Sepr. 1831”. 1: 390 000

This site, Black War ~ Van Diemen’s Land CSO 7578, is initially a holding place for transcriptions of  CSO* 1/316-322/7578 that will eventually enable exploration of cross cultural relations in frontier Van Diemen’s Land based on these sixteen volumes of colonial records. *CSO refers to the Colonial Secretary’s Office. Tasmania was called Van Diemen’s Land by Europeans until the cessation of convict transportation from Britain and its empire in 1853 – when the name Tasmania was officially adopted. In addition to this site providing a transcription of CSO 7578 vols 316-332 other selected transcribed documents from the same period of Governor Arthur’s office, are included from the State Library of New South Wales, Sydney (indicated by reference: SLNSW) and from the NLA (National Library of Australia, Canberra).

These documents predominately consist of correspondence to the Governor’s office by British “settlers” in Van Diemen’s Land between 1824 – 1836 requesting assistance from the Government in removing local Aboriginal people from “their lands”. They report in vivid and difficult detail the frontier violence that marked the lives, memories and subsequent relationships between Tasmanians, black and white.

Julie Gough
Hobart, Tasmania
Nov. 2012+

124 responses to “Introduction

  1. tawatja

    this is a long overdue and necessary opening up of the archive. democratization of conversation beyond the confines of academia, professional historians and everyone else who would rather either keep it to themselves or keep the lid on one of the most shameless campaigns of ethnic cleansing in the history of the british empire.

  2. Leonie

    When are the history books going to be opened so everyone knows what happened here?

    • hi Leonie
      We have to do it ourselves – put original documents, verbatim, from that period online. Then the gaps will become obvious, even from the biased anglo records – ie: how did more than 3000 / practically all Tasmanian Aboriginal people “disappear” in one generation?…

  3. Liarne Howarth

    Hi Julie,
    I’m a descendant from John Scott the sealer on King Island and Mary Mnnermannemener. Please contact me as I have documents, records, marriage certificates etc connecting me to them.

    • hi Liarne

      It’s fantastic to be in touch with you. Which daughter are you descended from ?

      • Liarne Howarth

        Hi Julie,
        My line is from Catherine Scott. I have made a CD with all the documents and photographs etc on it. Let me know where I can send it if you would like a copy. There is a lady who’s husband is from Mary anne’s line. She has done that side of the decedents.
        Are you a relative of John Scott & Mary Mnnermannemener too.


    • Paul Stott

      Hello Liarne,
      I am not a descendant of John Scott but have been interested in his story for some time. To date I have not been able to find out what happened to Mary Annes’ mother Mary. Maria died in the Furneaux Group ( Flinders Island) some years later.. Are you able to assist please. Regards, Paul Stott

      • Judith Klavins

        Hi Paul, there is a web blog at about ‘The Sealer’ (John Scott) and ‘The King Island Girls’ which notes that the girls mother died on King Island in mid October, 1854. This is the only reference I can find at this stage.

      • Judith Klavins

        Hi Paul, there is a web blog at about ‘The Sealer’ (John Scott) and ‘The King Island Girls’ which notes that the girls mother died on King Island in mid October, 1854. This is the only reference I can find at this stage.

      • Hi Judith/Liarne/Paul,
        My research into Mary Scott is ongoing. I have been reading through the writings and journals of George Augustus Robinson also other material including the books Weep In Silence and recently The Roving Mariners the latter is a great read giving insight into the early sealing industry and the struggles, dangers and conditions of this trade. I have a few possible theories regarding Mary but nothing substantially based at this stage. Will keep you updated as more information comes to hand ..hopefully not too far away.

      • Hi Paul, My line is from Catherine Scott. Mary died in mid October 1854. Which only left Maria and her aged mother (Georgina or Georgia) as the only ones on King Island. However, later on Maria was taken to Flinders Island because she was the last surviving person from that original party.
        Cheers Liarne .

      • Hi Paul
        My husband is a Leggett descendant –are you related? Hi great grandfather was Captain Richard Leggett’s brother–I have been researching the Leggett family for him. Are you able to assist please.
        Pamela Hardy wife of Rodney Thomas Hardy (grandmother Caroline Mary Alice Leggett)

      • Paul Stott

        Hello Pamela. Richard Leggett was my mother’s grandfather. Her father was Walter, youngest son of Richard. Use my email if you wish. Regards PaulS

      • Hi Paul
        May I have your email address please. Mine is
        I have so many questions to ask you. Thank you for your quick reply
        Pamela Hardy

    • Judith Klavins

      Hi Liarne and Julie, I am related to Mary Anne Scot (t). Her son Frederick Adolphus Smith is my great grandfather. I would be really interested in any information such as photo’s etc of Mary Anne Scott or Kitty Scott. I have had a wonderful chat with Sandra Hayman. Judith

      • Hi Judith, my line is from kitty Scott. I have everything about that line right down to me. I can send you a CD or email you the paper work. It wont be until next week as I am not well at the moment. Nice to know I have more relatives out there. Warm Regards Liarne

      • Paul Stott

        Hello Judith, Mary Anne spent a short time at Robbins Island in 1851 in the service of Mrs David Howie before returning to King Island. Mrs Howie was nee Mary Bogue who married David Howie in Launceston in November 1850. I am interested in any information about Mary Bogue who drowned at Stanley in August 1851.. Regards Paul Stott

      • Hi Paul, I am related to Catherine (Kitty Scott). I have made a CD with all the certificates and notes & some photographs on it right down to me. I can either send you a CD or send you the info via email, however, there is quite a lot.

      • Paul Stott

        Thank you very much for replying to my question Liarne. I would be most interested to see the info that you have gathered.. A disc to 113 Brickport Road, Burnie, 7320 would be most appreciated. Please enclose address details for me to pay you. Regards from Paul Stott.

    • Kylie

      I’m a descendant from John Scott the sealer on King Island and Mary Mannermannemener too! From their daughter Esther Brown Scott! Ill have to read more into this, i would love to see all you have!! I have a few items too

    • Kylie

      I’m a descendant from John Scott the sealer on King Island and Mary Mannermannemener too! From their daughter Esther Brown Scott! I would love to see all you have! I have a few items too

      • carol dennis

        There is a grave for Esther Brown at Evandale Tasmania, Born 1814 Died January 25 1878. Other writing on the headstone has worn away.

      • shayman63

        Kylie and Carol.. I may be able to provide you with some information. If you wish to contact me my email address is

    • Jenni Kift

      I think we are related to Esther Scott one of his daughters

    • Scott brew

      Hi I am a descendant of Mary too. I arm trying to find out what tribe a land mass she was from in Tasmania

      Scott brew

    • scott brew

      Hi Liarne i am a descendant of mary,, related to the hoys. I am trying to find where Mary Mannermannemener came from (land or tribe ) from tasmania What No of descendants are you to be spritely and financially recognized is it 7 or 8 in line from the original descendant Mary Mannermannemener. I just received y letter of recognition

    • Liarne
      My grandson, through his Tasmanian mother, is related John SCOTT (and (?) Maria MANNERMANNEMENER); he is his 5x great grandfather.

      I see you have offered information on the SCOTT family tree; I would love to receive what you are able to share, please.

      I am in UK so I do not know which would be the best medium of exchange.
      Graham Webster (

  4. Sandra

    Hi Liarne, I am the great great great granddaughter of John Scott and Mary. Their daughter Mary is who I am descended from she married George Smith a convict. I also have all documents including convict records, death, marriage and birth certificates tracing my heritage. It would be great to hear from you.

    • Liarne Howarth

      Hi Sandra,
      It was great to hear from you. I’m also the great, great, great granddaughter of John Scott & Mary Mnnermannemener too. Would you like a CD of my line from Catherine Scott their daughter. Or are you only doing your heritage from Mary Anne. Let me know if you want me to send you a copy.
      Have you got anything on Thomas Scott?. I have found him on Catherine & Francis Symonds Wedding Certificate and Catherines Death Certificate. The later one had him down as a sailor and he was 35 years old at the time. Do you know Mary & Bill Cooper?. Bill is a descendent of Mary Anne Scott too.
      Looking forward to hearing from you. Liarne

      • Hi Liarne, Thank you for your reply. Do you know about the journal of John Scott which is at the Tasmanian Archives? I transcribed it and that is at the archives also with my contact details. I don’t know much about Thomas however I will go over my records which I haven’t been through for quite awhile and see what I have that I can share with you. I made contact some time ago with Gwen and Viv Cooper who is a relative also, we send each other Chrissy cards. I am thinking she is related to Mary and Bill Cooper? Do you have any contact details for them. I found Gwen and Viv through the Were family. Edward Smith my great grandfather is the son of Mary Anne he married Selena Were. The Were family did much research and compiled a book about their family. They didn’t know much about my line of the family I was able to fill them in on what I knew. My mum who is still alive didn’t know her father who is Mary Anne’s grandson. When I contacted the Were family they were overjoyed to hear from me as we were the missing part of the family. This only happened in 2006-2007. I would love to find out more about Catherine as I know very little about her. Did she and Mary Anne get taken to the mainland after John Scott drowned I think Mary Anne left went back to Tasmania and married a convict by the name of George Smith I have some records. I have many certificates if you would like any copies of anything I am more than happy to share with you what I have. I would love a copy of the cd re Catherine to see what happened to her. Could you give me contact details of Mary and Bill Cooper or pass my details onto them. Looking forward in hearing from you .. Many thanks Sandra

  5. Sandra

    Just realised I put my personal details below my last post .. can you please edit /delete these for me .. thankyou

  6. Sandra

    Hi Liarne, Thank you for your reply. Do you know about the journal of John Scott which is at the Tasmanian Archives? I transcribed it and that is at the archives also with my contact details. I don’t know much about Thomas however I will go over my records which I haven’t been through for quite awhile and see what I have that I can share with you. I made contact some time ago with Gwen and Viv Cooper who is a relative also, we send each other Chrissy cards. I am thinking she is related to Mary and Bill Cooper? Do you have any contact details for them. I found Gwen and Viv through the Were family. Edward Smith my great grandfather is the son of Mary Anne he married Selena Were. The Were family did much research and compiled a book about their family. They didn’t know much about my line of the family I was able to fill them in on what I knew. My mum who is still alive didn’t know her father who is Mary Anne’s grandson. When I contacted the Were family they were overjoyed to hear from me as we were the missing part of the family. This only happened in 2006-2007. I would love to find out more about Catherine as I know very little about her. Did she and Mary Anne get taken to the mainland after John Scott drowned I think Mary Anne left went back to Tasmania and married a convict by the name of George Smith I have some records. I have many certificates if you would like any copies of anything I am more than happy to share with you what I have. I would love a copy of the cd re Catherine to see what happened to her. Could you give me contact details of Mary and Bill Cooper or pass my details onto them. Looking forward in hearing from you .. Many thanks Sandra

    • Liarne Howarth

      Hi Sandra and Julie,

      Mary and Maria are two different women.I reference this through John Scott’s Journal and other information gathered. This is all on my CD. Sandra I can’t see your personal information any where. Maybe I’m not looking in the right spot.

      • Peter bakker

        Please send me a copy of your CD on John and Mary Scott. Let me know about cost to reimburse you and by what means e.g. PayPal or bank deposit.
        Thank you for the huge amount of work that you have put into this research.
        Thank you – Peter Bakker

      • Ryan Brown

        Hi Liarne,
        I am also researching my family tree and I am a little confused when I get to Esther Scott. Is Esther Scott the daughter of John Scott & Mary Mannermannemener? If that is correct and that Esther Scott married Henry John Brown then I am related. If you could please contact me or on the phone 0402 282 821. I currently live in Perth. I am interested to see if you have any information that would confirm this.

    • Tom

      Has anyone got further info on the Mary Anne who married George Smith? Particularly any children they had? It’s in relation. To my wife’s family who are Byles

  7. hi LIarne and Sandra – I am sorry to have been a bit off the radar lately ! I will email you off site and pass your emails to each other. I am VERY pleased to see lots of reconnections happening between Maria and John Scott’s descendants – your family is one of the missing presumed ‘lost’ famiilies – a big Tassie + King Island reunion is in order I reckon !

  8. Raine Brand

    Hi Julie
    What an amazing project and so enlightening. I came across this today while searching for information about Cluny and Bothwell in relation to an online course I am currently doing with UTAS on researching family history. My 3rd great grandparents, both convicts, William Worsley and Ann Davis were living at Upper Cluny, Bothwell and Native Hut Rivulet from 1831 – 1839 and had three children during this time. William was a labourer at Cluny and Ann was a house servant assigned to Mr McPherson of Cluny.
    Thank you.
    Raine Brand

  9. Judith

    Hi Liarne and Paul,
    Thank you for replying to my message.
    Liarne – I would be very interested in any informaton about Kitty, thanks. I have my family tree back to Mary Anne. I found some details out from Sandra about John Scott and his family plus also searching the internet. I am happy to share what I have.
    Paul – you have added a little more to what I know about Mary Anne, thank you. I don`t know any details abou Howie`s wife unfortunately.

  10. Kylie

    Hi all, I’m a descendant from John Scott the sealer on King Island and Mary Mannermannemener! From their daughter Esther Brown Scott! I would like to see John Scotts diary, where would I find this? Also is there anything more on Mannermannemener? I would love a reunion! Wow

    • Kylie I am overjoyed to hear from you I gave wondered about Esther the journal of John Scott is available for viewing online Google John Scott journal its held at the Tadmsnian Archives I transcribed it some years ago that is also held at the archives and available for viewing online it is an easier format to read than the original document.. It’s great to connect with you..l have connected with other descendants not all on this thread a reunion would be awesome !!! I am in Sydney we seem to be scattered where are you located ?

      • Carol Dennis

        Hi I am a direct descendant of John Scott and Mary. Clara Langley was my great grandmother. I have just discovered some very interesting information about this family tree and am surprised at all the relatives I must have and not known about. I am from Perth, Tasmania.

      • Thanks for being in touch with everyone here,
        Julie Gough

  11. Hi all,
    I’m trying to make contact with descendants of Maria and John Thomas Scott. Our line is the ?eldest daughter Esther who married Henry Brown…

    • sue morgan

      I’m also related to Esther Scott and Henry Brown, we are currently also looking for information about Esther, my Great Grandfather was Henry a son ot Esther and Henry.

  12. Peter Bakker

    I have been researching the Scott family descendants on and off for around 4 years. I would be very much like to request a copy of your “CD with all the certificates and notes & some photographs”. My address is 3 Blackledge Drive, Cranbourne East, Victoria, 3977. I am happy to contribute to the cost of the CD and mailing. If there is any information that i have that is not on your CD I will pass it on to you.
    For all those interested you should be aware that Anne Drysdale wrote her own diary of her life on the Bellarine Peninsula and made several short references to Kitty and Mary Ann Scott. State Library of Victoria: MS 6294, MS 6208, MS 9249 and H15215. Online section available at Bev Roberts wrote an article, ‘A Black Apron View of History? Anne Drysdale & Caroline Newcomb, Victoria’s lady squatters’ in La Trobeana – Journal of the C. J. La Trobe Society Inc. Vol.9, No. 3, November 2010. The taking in of two part Aboriginal girls, Mary Ann and Kitty Scott is discussed on page 14 of this article.

    Peter Bakker

  13. Hi Julie,
    I am not sure if it is ok to post this here, but please let me know if not. I thought there may be people interested, given that so many have connected on your page in relation to John Scott, Mary and their extended family, including Maria.
    I thought I would just post that I have an art exhibition coming up at the Allport Library and Museum of Fine Art Gallery in Hobart which opens on Friday 14th October, 2016 – 25th February, 2017 which responds to the manuscript diary of John Scott. My work includes a series of linoprints, oil paintings and other works and the Gallery is planning to have John Scott’s diary on display. The exhibition is titled ‘Stories in Ink: John Scott’s diary 1836-1843, King Island, Tasmania. Everyone is welcome and I hope it adds to family connections being made! I would love to meet you all on Opening night!
    Judith Klavins

    • Hi Judith
      I wanted to be in touch to let you know I was away and sadly missed meeting you in Hobart, but did manage to catch your exhibition in Allport – which was fantastic and very cohesive and compelling. I look forward to meeting you one day and would love to attend what I hope will be a huge Tasmanian Maria / Scott family reunion one day !
      Julie Gough

      • Judith Klavins

        Hi Julie,
        Thank you very much for your very kind message. It means a lot to know you and others have enjoyed the exhibition. I received so many lovely messages from visitors, and the gallery staff said it prompted lots of discussion which is fantastic. I would love to have some memorial on King Island one day for John, Mary, Maria and their extended family. It would be so fitting to have it at the hut/s site overlooking Christmas and New Years islands. I might speak to the National Parks Heritage Officer about it.

      • Judith Klavins

        Hi Juile,
        I forgot to say I also got to meet my lovely new found relative Liarne and her son who came all the way from Coffs Harbour to the Opening night and Graeme Broxam who opened the night with a wonderful talk about John Scot and his extended family. Also Sandra Gaal Hayman and I prepared some poems to relate to each diary entry and linoprint which we would one day love to share with others beyond it being a catalogue. We are not sure how to do this but when we have time we will investigate further. I would love to catch up one day for a coffee if you are in Adelaide!!

  14. Carolyn Woods

    Hi Liarne,
    Im descendant from Mary Ann Scott and George Smith through their child Walter William Smith.
    I would love a copy of your cd – happy to reimburse for costs etc. Also interested in any information about John Scott and Mary and both their daughters etc.
    Please email :,

  15. Hi, I think I am a descendant of John Scott 1770-1843 and Mary (Tasmanian Aboriginal) 1800- ??? Henry Brown 1798-1880 who appears to be a child ?? who married Esther Scott they then had children and one of those children (Jessie Brown 1841-1915) she married Edward Langley who is the grandfather of my grandfather (Neville Francis Langley Izard). I am wondering if anyone has any information about Mary ? I am happy to pay for any documents that will tell me more about her life – I believe her husband John Scott drowned ? in 1843 – they all lived on King Island and I think after the drowning the family was separated and Jessie came to mainland Tasmania where she met Edward Langley a Labourer and they were married at Evandale. But I would really like just some info about Mary – was she abducted ? sold ? such a sad story but I really would like to know my history if anyone can assist. my email is either or

  16. Mark

    Hi, Thanks for providing the transcriptions. They’re very interesting.
    There is one page – page 344 – where you have transcribed a letter authored by AA Hortell. I’ve been researching the Hollow Tree history from afar (I live in Canberra) and I cannot view the microfiche to determine if your transcription is correct. I wonder if the author was in fact HB Torlesse? On the face of it, quite a different name. But with cursive handwriting, things can seem quite different, especially when you don’t know what the name is meant to be.

    My question is – would you be able to review that page again and consider if the author of the letter could have been Torlesse?

    Torlesse was responsible for managing Montacute until Captain Langdon arrived to permanently live there.

    Also – on pages 340-341, you appear to have had difficulty transcribing a name. You have recorded “… Hut belong to Mr ..tley which they set fire to but upon Tybley and two others making their appearance they left in the direction off Blackmans ……” I believe, from my research, that “Mr ..tley” and “Tybley” were in fact “Sibley” [William Sibley, who lived next to Adam Thomson, in the vicinity of Blackman’s Hill].

    kind regards

    • Hi there I have my step father’s family tree of Scotts and also kitty comes into the tree to they end up in pymble nsw with the bowman family which also leads to partridge family and John randall I would love a copy of all the information made possible as I’m helping to bring a family together again with all my heart
      Kevin McMahon

  17. Donna Burke

    Hi wondering if someone can help me with some information on Richard Brown married Sophia Skarrett in Launceston, Richard apparently is the son of Henry Brown and Esther Scott, and is my great great grandfather, the family are of aboriginal descent, not sure if this is the correct family or not any help most appreciated thanks Donna Burke


      Hi Donna can u contact me on, I have a Richard Brown son of Henry and Esther Scott….


      • Kelly Brown

        I am a direct descendant of Mary Mananamener (Tasmanian aboriginal (spelling may be incorrect) and John Scott. – Esther Brown was their oldest daughter and her grave is at Evandale in Tasmania. She was put in to service 1817 when she was very young around 10 years old and worked at a Dr Landales property in Tasmania for some time. My side starts at Mary and John, then Esther Brown nee Scott, she marred Henry Brown and one of their daughters Jessie Brown married Edward Langley, -their daughter Clara Langley is my Great Grand mother. I have been to Esthers grave – the headstone is beautiful. I do have pics of it – if I can work out how to upload it on here I will. My sister has done quite a bit of research on our family tree.
        Fran also above has given us quite a bit of info – she is well researched too 🙂 so you will probably be able to find out a lot more about this wonderful discovery. The journals of John Scott are online too (I think someone else has commented on here about those for you.)
        Regards Kelly Brown.

      • HI Kelly
        Thanks for sharing your amazing family history. I am a descendant of Dalrymple Briggs who was an (Aboriginal) child servant of Dr Jacob Mountgarrett near Longford. I am also a bit obsessed with working out which Aboriginal children were living with which colonists and when, and a lot seem to have been doctors… Very sad and worrying times. That is fascinating news about Esther’s life and I am currently staying in Launceston so want to go and look at Esther’s tombstone while I am up here ! Do you know which cemetery or maybe there is only one there ? All the best – Julie

      • Paul Stott

        Hello Julie,
        In your search for aboriginal children living with colonists I wonder if you have found/located details of a female named Black Mogg in service with the Plummer family on the West Tamar? Thank you

      • Hi Paul
        This is very interesting. I have heard of a Black Mogg but not sure where – and will try to find this.
        Mog might mean Margaret? and one of my Tasmanian Aboriginal ancestors was renamed Margaret, I think in 1831, on Flinders Island after her arrival. She had been to and from the Tamar region a lot since at least the 1809 period.
        I just quickly looked up pre 1840s records for PLUMMER, in Launceston on the Tas. Archives TAHO website – names index. There were 7 records.
        One is for an ELLEN PLUMMER, born 10/5/1830 to George and Sarah Plummer, Tamar River, he was a SHIPWRIGHT. Baptism date: 19/8/1832. by Rev Browne, Launceston. ref: 580 / 4532:$002f$002fNAME_INDEXES$002f0$002fNAME_INDEXES:1082192/one
        This is interesting because:
        [1] the date range is early enough for a tribal Aboriginal people to be known to this family – pre the majority being exiled to Flinders Island.
        [2] Shipwright trade makes sense in terms of being in contact with Aboriginal people. Most Aboriginal people who survived beyond the 1830s had lived with, were fathered by, taken by etc non Aboriginal men who were seafarers/sealers,etc, or in involved industries: Parish the Pilot, etc. the 3rd …
        [3] reason this Plummer family might have been in touch with Aboriginal, and/or people of colour from elsewhere – is also linked to the seafaring trades, which were very multicultural – and so, also baptised on the same day at Ellen, was WILLIAM GRIFFITHS, son of John and Elizabeth GRIFFITHS, Launceston. Ref: 481/4534. Griffith’s snr. trade was MASTER MARINER, and many sealing men, including my BRIGGS, sealer ancestor,father of Aboriginal children, worked for Griffiths.
        and so – the boxes are all lined up for Black Mogg to either be an Aboriginal or a person of colour, known to this Plummer family.
        Where have you found this reference!?
        I am happy to help further etc.


  18. Kelly Brown

    Hi Julie – Yes her head stone is at the St Andrews Uniting (Presbysterian) Church at 9 High Street Evandale. White picket fence out the front. Her resting place is on the left hand side of the church. It is very large and high – you cant miss it. It is a cement sandstone colour – very weathered and some of the writing is hard to read. It is a large square block with an angel on the top. It is very beautiful actually. Brought a tear to my eye knowing she was my direct line. The writing about her is on the front and the other 3 sides have some of other family members buried there as well. I have a couple of things from the aborginal centre here in Tas. ie: its a type of certificate headed “the Scott family” with John Scott alias “old scott” and “Maria” (which is Mary) Mannermannemener abducted by Munro Sealer. reported at King Island 1831. Living at Flinders Island in 1863 (Maria Scott) “Granny Maria” – First filial Generation F1 to a ?
    1. Esther b ca. 1817
    2. Jane b ca. 1823
    3.? this is blank
    4. Son b 1831
    5. Kitty b 1831
    6. Mary b 1838
    Second filial generation
    1. Esther Scott living with Dr Landale in Launceston 1827 aged 10 years – no further data
    2. Jane Scott m. David Kelly
    3. no data
    4. son Taken to Port Phillip 1843 no further data

    John Scotts journals are also on line (but you probably already know that).. .I actually printed them off and they are wonderful reading. He talks about Mary and their children. I really think he did love her..
    I you would like to send me an email to I can try and up load a couple of the documents I have. Including a page on the manner manne mener tribe which my sister found in tassy history book.

    Kelly Brown.

    • Carol Dennis

      Hi Kelly, I tried to email you but your email address given in you letter is not being sent ?due to police govt address? do you have another email

    • Hi Kelly
      Thanks for the further information about the tombstone.
      I didn’t manage to see it while north the other day, but will do so asap.
      I am surprised she has her own headstone, being Aboriginal during those times.
      Your Scott history is very fascinating, especially great now with so many descendants finding each other – fantastic !
      I come from Woretemoeteyenner and George Briggs (a ‘sealer’), via their daughter Dalrymple Briggs.
      All the best

  19. Paul Stott

    Hello Julie,
    Thanks for replying, I hope you find this reply.
    I have been uncovering the story of Black Mogg for quite some time now and am bringing the loose ends together.
    Beginning at the end of her life going backwards.:
    Burial service in Stanley 27.8.1851 named Moggy, aged about 60. Aboriginal Native from NSW. Home Robins Is. Nurse.
    Registered death 23.8.1851. Aged 50. Drowned.
    Inquest into her death, 23.8.1851
    Drowned in boating accident at Stanley Wednesday 20.8.1851. Named as a well-known Native called Black Mogg.
    1842 – A female native from Spencers Gulf who assisted in enticing the last free Tas. Aborigines into a boat on the West Coast of Tas. was named as Black Mogg many years later.
    In Service of George Plummer’s family on West Tamar. George Plummer had married a daughter of John Griffiths Sen. when in NSW
    Now go to the other end of her story and work forward.
    Abducted by crew from an American Sealer/Whaler at Spencer Gulf.
    Taken to South Island of New Zealand where the crew of the vessel who landed were eaten by Maories,
    She hid with her boy for some time eluding capture.
    Was rescued by passing vessel and returned to NSW where she was thought to be a Maori and was going to be returned to NZ.Did not happen.
    Not sure which came first – Little Moggy and Big Moggy Island off South Island of NZ are thought by some to be named after our Black Mogg!
    Black Mogg in New Zealand is reverred by some.
    At present I am finalising the story of the Stanley part of the equation. Old rumours hard quash.
    If these two ends of her story come together I think she is worthy of some kind of recognition.
    Special note. For many years it has been said that Balck Mogg was the wife of David Howie of Cataraqui fame. Not so Mary Bogue was his wife and her body wasn’t located after the boating accident.
    Thanks for your help and interest.
    My work is of interest only,no commercial connections.

    . .

  20. Paul Stott

    Hello again Graeme,

    Here is another chat room that has some interesting info.

    You may already be receiving.

    John Scot relatives are under every tree!


    • Sandra Hayman

      I can’t speak for all descendants however the branch of my ancestral family tree was lost for many years due to some very tragic circumstances endured by my family. I find your comment about my ancestor and “his relatives being under every tree” a little insensitive and unnecessary. Being a descendant of Mary Ann Scott through one of her 11 children ..I know there are many relatives in her line alone..due to terrible circumstances ancestral history, culture and identity has been lost for many of them ..only until recently has it been found. This is sadly a common occurrence for many Palawa people. I’m proud of my history my ancestors and I’m thankful for those who as you say are “under every tree” that they can finally be known.. stand, be proud and finally be counted.

      • Liarne Howarth

        I totally agree with you Sandra. I’m very proud of my ancestry and so are my siblings and their children.

      • Hi Sandra, I’ve been wondering about old John Scott. I think he was tried in Old Monkton (near Glasgow)(?), and was at the first ‘settlement’ on to Norfolk Island (?). Do you know any more details about his birth and life pre King Island ? Thanks – Julie

  21. Sandra,
    Do u have knowledge of Palawa tribe (or language) is this the same as Nuenonne tribe (or language)

    Thanks, Sandra

    • shayman63

      Hi Fran,
      I was not aware of this.. maybe someone can provide us more information..

      • Carol Dennis

        I would like to know where Marys name Mnnermannemener came from, did someone see it documented? I would like to see it written. Readings I have done indicates the Palawa people are Tasmanian Aborigines. An interesting book to read about the Tas. Aboriginals is Community of Thieves by Cassabdra Pybus published 1992 by Minerva Australia.

      • The Tasmanian Aborigines and their descendants : chronology, genealogies and social data /​ by Bill Mollison and Coral Everitt ; edited as a combined ed. by Phil Hackett. Abt 1978

    • Carol Dennis

      I have found that the Nuenonne people were those who lived on Bruny Island. From the book Community of Thieves by Cassandra Pybus.

      • Yes but are u saying that Maria/Mary Manner-manne-mener, came from the tribe Palawa? Because if so it is a first! As I have her belonging to another tribe?

      • There is no palawa tribe. This is a modern use of one of the historically recorded Aboriginal Tasmanian words for “Black man/person”. Another parallel word in use today is “pakana” . By adopting these terms you are indicating you have a traceable lineage to known historic Aboriginal Tasmanian people. It is similar to saying you are Koorie or Murri in Victoria or Queensland; a Tasmanian version, instead of saying “Aboriginal”. Palawa/pakana has no tribal equivalence or designation.

      • Yes Scott was a convict: Scott’s brother William Court Conviction & Hanging
        3 Dec 1788 • Glasgow before William Honeyman, sheriff deputy
        Convicted of 3 charges of House Breaking & Theft. William SCOTT was hanged in Glasgow Gaol and his brother John SCOTT reprieved & transported to Australia!

      • Many thanks – that’s fascinating! My father is from Glasgow ! On mum’s side some ancestors were on Norfolk Island: John Cox/Ann Brooks and children, then they went to Norfolk Plains, VDL, in 1813. So this is the John Scott who went to Norfolk Island, then left to be a sealer (somehow) ? – Julie

      • Hi Julie,
        John Scott was born 7th June 1770 in Motherwell Lanarkshire Scotland, charged with break and entering was convicted on 30th October 1788. His brother William was sentenced to death and hung. John Scott was granted clemency and transported to VDL for 7 years. He was transported to Sydney Cove NSW on the ship “The Pitt” June 1791 he settled on King Island. John Scott had 2 sons and 6 daughters with Mary (some believe possibly other women?) between 1814-1843. His children are Esther Scott 1814-1831..Sarah Scott 1819 baptised 1/10/1826. ..Jane Scott 1823..Thomas Scott 1831…Mary Ann Scott 1835-1914..Catherine/Kitty Scott 1838-1867..John Scott May 1841-Oct 1841..infant daughter Scott who drowned in 1843. Five latter children are in the journal of John Scott however it commences from 1836 the earlier children most likely not on King Island from that time. After the drowning of her father Mary Ann and Catherine/Kitty were living with Anne Drysdale on the mainland. Mary Ann made her way back to Tasmania with her an infant daughter named Janet who was placed into the Queens Orphanage in Hobart.. after being deserted by her first husband.. sadly Janet died in the orphanage aged 4 years. Mary Ann returned to King Island working with her mother Mary and Maria for David Howie. It’s reported in a few articles that a 14 year old daughter of John Scott was living with a sealer named Kelly .. in N.J.B Plomley’s book “Weep In Silence” I recall reading about the mistreatment of one of Scott’s daughters ( I need to revisit the book again as it’s been awhile). Finally there is an interesting online article called “ I Succeeded Once” The Aboriginal Protectorate on the Mornington Peninsula 1839-1840. It references a daughter of John Scott of King Island living with a sealer named Kelly. I need to cross reference this…? I hope this info is useful to others here ..Sandra

      • Hi Sandra – Thanks a lot for all of this information. I didn’t realise until recently that Esther Scott has a lot of descendants, 12 children?, and is buried at Evandale (Still need to visit) – so not only descendants from Kitty and Mary Ann, and also that Jane Scott may have descendants. I have ancestors who were sent on the Pitt from England to Sydney ! : Ann Brooks, snr and jnr – I wonder if it was the same voyage as John Scott ? I don’t understand how he was sentenced and managed not to serve it fully – was it for 7 years ? and then did he first stay on Norfolk Island? until it was served to 1795 ? I do know the article you mention – a great read. Also wonder if Scott’s children’s names match his parents / family names. Also, when he drowned in 1843 – he was at an advanced age of 73 years, and still with young children/ toddlers ! I didn’t know his birth date etc. Has anyone linked up with his family / Scott descendants who stayed behind in Scotland ? Thanks again ! – Julie

      • Carol Dennis

        The book ‘Friendly Mission’, journals and papers by George Robinson 1829-1834, edited by Plomley 2nd edition Queen Victoria Museum and Art Gallery and Quintus Publishing. 2008. mentions the Launceston half castes (Esther) Mary and her aboriginal name and Maria being abducted by Munroe etc. It answers a lot of questions I have, being new to this research, and I am grateful to the people who have given some of their info. relating to John Scott (old) and Mary MAN.NER.MAN.NE.ME.NER. as documented in Friendly Mission. Thank you.

  22. Ok thanks for that it make sense, Palawa is a general term form Aboriginal in Tasmania it is not a tribe..

  23. Regarding John Scott who was transported to VDL. His brother William’s Letter….

    • WOW – what an incredible piece of news reporting – so public. It is so fascinating and sad, and also interesting that John remained religious to the end, even after the fate of his brother. MANY thanks for sharing this.

  24. For descendants of John Scott and Mary of King Island. I created a Facebook page in 2015 but it has been inactive until now. Due to the obstacles and challenges in discovering who I am and where I belong..thought it may be helpful for us all to share and discuss information.
    The page is called Descendants of John Scott & Mary – King Island
    Send a request and I can add you. Let’s all stand together.. Sandra

    • The legacy of war leaves enduring chaos. It’s time this was recognised as being just as real in Tasmania after the Black war as it has been in any other theatre of conflict. Our families were disrupted by the events of the 1820s and pretending this doesn’t really matter isn’t helpful. Aboriginal families are just as human as any other ‘veterans’.

  25. Hello to SCOTT descendants.

    It seems that the Esther SCOTT born 7 October 1814 who married convict Henry BROWN on 25th January 1831 in Launceston Tasmania and was buried in Morven (Evandale) on 25 January 1878 exactly matches another (non Aboriginal) Esther SCOTT who was three years older than the now missing? (born 1817, Aboriginal) Esther Scott…

    Henry BROWN (1798-1880) and wife Esther (nee SCOTT)(1814-1878)

    Name: Brown, Esther
    Record Type: Deaths
    Gender: Female
    Age: 64
    Date of death: 25 Jan 1878
    Registered: Morven
    Registration year: 1878
    Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1211300
    Resource: RGD35/1/47 no 385

    Name: Brown, Henry
    Record Type: Deaths
    Gender: Male
    Age: 82
    Date of death: 14 Aug 1880
    Registered: Morven
    Registration year: 1880
    Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1162467
    Resource: RGD35/1/49 no 465

    Tasmanian Cemeteries – Evandale
    St Andrews Presbyterian Cemetery
    Esther BROWN
    Died 25 Jan 1878
    Aged 64 years

    BROWN—At her residence, Blessington, near Evandale, on the 25th January, Esther, the wife of Henry
    Brown, aged 64, leaving a family of fourteen to mourn her loss.
    Launceston Examiner 26 January 1878

    Esther Scott (daughter of convicts) was born on 7 October 1814 and baptised in January 1819 in Launceston. Her parents were Thomas Scott and Mary Tracey/Tracy.
    The Baptism reference for this Esther Scott is NS373/1/5. See:
    Convict Mary Tracey to NSW per “Experiment” – see:$init=CON13-1-1p29
    Thomas Scott arrived in Sydney per Sophia in 1806 [see below]
    See also article online by Danny Crothers: “The first Thomas Tasmanian Thomas Scott”
    In: Tas Ancestry, March 2005, p.210:
    – which notes that an Esther Scott was born on the above date to Thomas Scott and Mary Treacy [Tracy]

    This article suggests that this Esther Scott married Henry Brown in 1831 as does the link below:

    CSO1/122A [known as the children’s Census of 1827] currently seems to be the last record showing (the Aboriginal) Esther Scott – who is then listed as: 10 years old, “half caste”, and her Guardian is Dr Landale. In 1831 (when the other Esther Scott married Henry Brown) this Esther Scott was only 14 years old.

    This Esther Scott is also noted in Mollison’s volume on Aboriginal Genealogies as a daughter of John Scott:

    I’m wondering whether any descendants of Esther Brown (nee SCOTT) have or might take an Ancestry (etc) DNA test/s (+ GEDMATCH upload etc) to check if they match with descendants of Kitty Scott and Mary Ann Scott who have DNA tested ?

    Wondering also how/why the/some? descendants of this Esther Brown nee Scott (daughter of convicts) think they descend from the Aboriginal Esther Scott ?

    Other thoughts ?


    • Thank you Julie, I know this will be a great help to many ..

    • Carol Dennis

      I am wondering if any descendants of Kitty Scott and Mary Ann Scott have had their mtDNA tested and do they have a direct female line from Kitty and Mary. as I believe this is the only way the Aboriginal DNA shows. I am looking into getting my DNA done but my Dr. is looking into the best way to do it, this is my choice. Carol.

    • Graeme Broxam

      Hi Julie,
      Yes I completely agree with your references, analysis and conclusions. The fate of Esther Scott the aboriginal girl remains a mystery. There is no proof, unlike that of her apparent sisters Sarah and Rebecca, that she was in fact a daughter of John Scott (and presumably Maria), although the assumption appears reasonable.

      • Graham Webster

        You will know better than most, a lot has been written about John SCOTT and his ‘two’ families. It does, however, seem to me that whilst there is adequate evidence (mainly!) for his older daughters Esther, Sarah and Jane, there is scant information on Rebecca – before she ‘appears’ at Clarence Plains.
        Are you able, please, to shed any more light on this daughter of John SCOOT? Is it correct to attribute her as John’s daughter?

  26. Graeme Broxam

    Greetings all. I have also posted this to the website, but this one appears to be more active and is perhaps the best one to reply to.

    I have long followed this blog but have refrained from commenting until I had all my records straight. I am coauthor/editor of a book with the working title THE STRAITSFOLK – JOHN SCOTT, DAVID HOWIE AND THEIR ABORIGINAL DEPENDENTS that will hopefully be published next year. Working from primary sources while carefully assessing layer writings we hope to untangle the rather knotted mixture of fact and fiction that has bedeviled researchers and writers on the subject.

    The primary subjects will be John Scott, his three known Tasmanian aboriginal wives Maria, Mary and Georgia (“The Ranger”) and their eight or nine known children, David Howie, his European wives Mary Bogue and Jane Wilson and their families and children; and two mainland aboriginal women who came under Howie’s protection, “Black Mog” and Margery Munro(e) and their own families.

    I’ll post on each of these individually over time and look forward to a vigorous correspondence, especially resolving apparent errors.

    Be warned that I will be giving some fairly critical reassessment of well-respected sources, particularly Mollison & Everett who report much inaccurate “oral history” gathered from diverse unreliable sources. The works of Plomley based on G A Robinson will also be shown to be of little use for researching most of this group of individuals (Margery Munro and family being notable exceptions) because Robinson never came into actual contact with any of them, and any of his opinions were based on hearsay.

    • Hi Graeme,
      I have not had time to follow some of the more recent posts but I am so pleased you are progressing with your book and can’t wait for it to be finished, probably like all of us on this site. I look forward also to your future postings.

      In addition to your research I did ask Dr Robert Warnecke about the drawing by John Skinner Prout titled ‘Mary Ann, King’s Island’ which is in the British Museum (and online) and he thought that the sketch which was labelled by the British Museum as completed around 1845 might have been a Mary Ann who lived with the ‘sealer’ Robinson who lived on King Island for a number of years. Apparently, per Dr Warnecke, he had 2 Aboriginal women living with him and one of them was taken by George Robinson (the named Protector of Aborigines) to Flinders Island (although I am not aware George Robinson ever visited King Island) and the other was left with the ‘sealer’ Robinson due to his failing health. It would be great to hear your thoughts on this. I am pretty sure that Mary Ann Scot(t) would have been too young to look like the woman in the drawing (although I wish it was her), which I got to see when I visited the British Museum in 2015. Judith

  27. Graeme Broxam


    According to a letter written by his granddaughter Mary Ann Smith in 1906, John Scott was a Scotsman born in Edinburgh.

    The sealer John Scott first appears in the historical record in a SYDNEY GAZETTE permission to depart advertisement, outward bound from Sydney to Bass Strait on board the schooner JOHN on 10 November 1805. This corresponds with a comment in his diary of 12 February 1841 when he notes the hottest day he had known in 35 summers in the colonies.

    Scott IS NOT a former convict – the fates of all convicts of that name in NSW before 1805 are otherwise known. Nor can he be a runaway former naval seaman as likewise claimed decades later by someone who never met him: when he met Dumont D’Urville at Westernport in 1826 Scott was able to show him his official papers, presumably clearances, that could not have existed for a Royal Navy absconder.

    It is our belief that he arrived in NSW during the course of 1805 on one of three British sealers working in Bass Strait: the COMMERCE (he is not on the crew list of this vessel, which does not survive for the other two vessels), HONDURAS PACKET or CERES. For reasons discussed at length in the manuscript we believe it was most likely the CERES, and Scott could possibly have been the sole survivor from a sealing party left by that ship at Swan Island around April 1805, the rest being presumably drowned when their whaleboat disappeared while the survivor was guarding stores left on the island.

    Scott continued to visit Sydney in between periods in Bass Strait until disappearing from note after 1814, and was presumably by then a permanent resident of The Straits. He appears to have become one of the early sealers who became friendly with the natives of the Ringarooma-Georges Bay district, and acquired an aboriginal wife from them by mutual agreement in much the same way that George Briggs gained his first aboriginal wife “Pung” from her father Mannarlargenna well before 1815. In 1824 Scott was still hunting with the tribe on the far NE coast, which was at a time when the same tribesmen were killing other sealers who had kidnapped or tried to kidnap their women. This strongly suggests that Scott did not obtain his woman from them by force. It is assumed that this woman was the one first mentioned by name as Meryer/Maria in Scott’s diary late in 1836, and died in the Furneaux Group in 1866. Two or three of their daughters were found homes in VDL around 1826, presumably to prevent them from being “sequestered” by other sealers. This fate appears to have later befallen their youngest daughter Jane.

    Possibly having been driven away from the Bass Strait Islands by rising crime in the mid-1820s, Scott led a party of sealers to Westernport where he established a small community in 1826-27. After leaving Westernport for the last time before 1830 Scott settled permanently on the NW coast of King Island. Around this time he acquired two younger Tasmanian aboriginal women known in later years as Mary and Georgia. Georgia soon ran off into the bush and lived a solitary life on King Island as “The Ranger” until after Scott’s death in 1843. Mary on the other hand had five children with Scott, the two youngest dying in infancy, son Thomas drowning in a boating mishap in 1848, but the other two daughters marrying and leaving many descendants – many many of whom are represented on this Board.

    Scott kept a diary from 1836 until shortly before his death in 1843 (his spelling is idiosyncratic, to say the least). It appears to have been recorded on loose sheets of paper, and were taken by his surviving daughters to Port Phillip after his death. It was transcribed into a bound notebook by their benefactor Ann Drysdale and it is this copy that survives now held by the State Library of Tasmania. It it much valuable information on Scott and his family is preserved, especially the love he felt for his children and the effort he took to give them a rudimentary education. His grief at the death of his youngest son John is particularly touching.

    Scott was drowned along with his infant daughter when their boat capsized after visiting the distressed barque REBECCA under New Years Island on 28 September 1843. His reason for going out to the vessel, according to Drysdale, was not to help the ship’s crew from preventing their vessel from going aground, which she did a few hours later, but to get more paper for his diary and to teach his children! His body was recovered and buried nearby.

    For anyone who is interested I am happy to discuss any of the details mentioned above with the contemporary references supporting them.

    • Graeme Broxam

      Finally for today, much of the original research for the above summary on John Scott can be read in by fellow STRAITSFOLK coauthor Dr. Robert Warneke. His other books on sealing in Australasian waters also contain much of interest for the student of indigenous Australians.

      • Judith Klavins

        Hi Graeme,
        I hope you are going well – just saying ‘hi’ from SA. I am hoping COVID is enabling your book progress rather than detracting. It will be wonderful to read and I look forward to it. I finish my Associate Degree in Visual Art this year and hope to have completed my full Degree within the next couple of years, studying part-time still. Cheers, Judith

    • Noel Towns

      Hi Graeme Broxam.
      I am a descendant of Maria Scott who was one of John Scott’s wives and Sarah her daughter was married to George Towns. Sarah is my great,great grandmother. When do you think your book “Bass Strait People” will be released?
      Noel Towns

      • Graham Webster

        Hi, Noel
        I think I am researching your branch of the TOWNS family tree – through Thomas TOWNS. Perhaps we could exchange information (
        Cheers, Graham

  28. Graham Webster

    Hi, all! I come to this forum fairly new but am astounded by the information it contains, and that I have been able to glean. It is a case of “standing on the shoulders of giants”.
    My interest in through SCOTT’s daughter, Sarah, who married convict George TOWNS/STOWERS.
    In early postings there is mention of CDs and other documentation. Are they still on offer, please and how do I get that information on the the SCOTT family? I am based in UK. Regards, Graham.

  29. scott brew

    Hi my name is scott brew i am 7th generation to mary I live in sydney and have copies of john scotts diaries where my mother is mentioned i am a tattoo enthusiest and am trying to find any artwork so i can turn it into a tattoo

  30. Deb Hawker

    Hi, all
    My name is Deb Hawker and I am a direct descendant of George Smith and Mary Ann Scott (6th generation). In earlier posts there is mention of documentation, etc. are they still on offer?
    I am based in Canberra
    Kind regards

  31. Tanya Whatman

    My children are descendants of Henry Emmett m. Mary Cupitt. Henry’s death certificate states he was born in Tasmania and after 2yr came to NSW. He died 30 April 1898 in Liverpool Asylum NSW age 67years old. His father was supposed to be John Emmett and his mother Mary (no last name recorded). Some other family trees list his mother’s maiden name as Mary Broughton. Henry’s marriage certificate states he was semi aboriginal. I was searching the web and found the name Henry James Emmett who seems to have been of British decent and had encounters with aboriginals in Tasmania. I was trying to work out if there would be any possible connection with the families. Any info would be greatly appreciated
    Cheers Tanya

    • Hi Tanya – can you share what was written on the marriage cert. ?
      “Henry’s marriage certificate states he was semi aboriginal.”
      If you mean the word ‘native’ that meant, especially from the 1830s, born in Tasmania (not Aboriginal).

      • Tanya Whatman

        His marriage certificate specifically says he was semi aboriginal. There was a newspaper article printed at the same time stating a novel marriage took place between a Black aboriginal man and a white woman.

  32. Tanya Whatman

    It specifically says he was semi aboriginal and there was a newspaper article at the same time stating a novel marriage took place between a Black aboriginal man and a white woman.

  33. Tanya Whatman

    He was married in Sutton Forrest NSW. I can send you the documents I have if you want. I am just not sure how to do it here

    • Thanks Tanya

      That is great and really helpful that it states that !

      I just looked in the Tasmanian names Index online, State library/Archives = for EMMET/T births :

      But the first male registered as Emmet/t was Edward born in 1838 – there is no HENRY or male registered a born c1831 in Tasmania (if he died aged 67 in 1898) – he IS a mystery – unless he was born in NSW or not with the Emmett surname – which must be where you are also stuck (?)

      Yes Emmett was a leader in the Black Line campaign. I have transcribed a copy of Emmett’s journal into the end of another blog :
      National Library of Australia
      MS 3311 Emmett
      [Title Page]
      Reminiscences of the Black War in Tasmania by Henry James Emmett
      (one of the Leaders)

      Have you done an AncestryDNA test – that will link you to Tasmanian families, Aboriginal or not, and confirm/clarify your tree + branches.
      Do you have the TROVE newspaper URL for the article about the marriage = you could paste here ?

      Bye for the moment

      • Tanya Whatman

        Wow! You work fast. The marriage does list him as Henry Broughton which is why some people think his mother’s maiden name may have been Broughton, All other documents say his name is Henry Emmett married to Mary Cupitt. His death certificate has him as Henry Hemmett married to Mary Cubitt, so both last names were spelled wrong there. I can’t find some of his children’s birth records under any of the names but I have other records tying the children to Henry.
        My three kids and their father have submitted ANCESTRYDNA test. One has her results back and shows she had aboriginal dna in a very small amount. The other results will still be a while they were just sent.

  34. This has some clues – but is confusing
    Seems Henry Broughton was the Aboriginal man (?) from NSW (?) who married Mary Cubitt in NSW.

    Henry Broughton — View this family
    6 December 1848 (aged 21 years)
    Sutton Forest, Southern Tablelands, New South Wales, Australia

    Source: Tuxford, Bob, [various titles] email messages to Marion Purnell, Feb 2011
    Source: Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Operations, Inc., 2010.
    Name: Mary Cupitt
    Spouse Name: Henry Broughton
    Marriage Date: 1848
    Marriage Place: New South Wales
    Registration Place: Berrima, Bong Bong, Sutton Forest, New South Wales
    Registration Year: 1848
    Volume Number: V

    Source: Sydney, Australia, Anglican Parish Registers, 1818-2011 [database on-line]. Lehi, UT, USA: Operations, Inc., 2017.
    Citation details:
    Sutton Forest All Saints Composite 27 January 1839 – 19 October 1879

    Henry Broughton a bachelor of this parish, semi aboriginal
    and Mary Cupitt of this parish a spinster native born
    were married in this church by banns
    this 6th day of December 1848
    Henry Broughton made his X mark in the register and Mary Cupit [sic] signed the register
    in the presence of Thomas Frey (?) of Mittagong who signed the register
    and — King who also signed the register

    Source: National Library of Australia. Trove: one search…a wealth of information. [database on-line].
    Citation details:
    Sydney Morning Herald Tue 12 Dec 1848 p. 2

    novel marriage was solemnised last week at
    Sutton Forest, being no less than that of an
    aboriginal black to a white woman. The
    blackfellow was some time previously baptised,
    but in what name we know not. He is
    commonly called Black Harry, and earns a
    livelihood as a horse-breaker. He is very intelligent
    and industrious.

  35. It is hard to see how the Emmett named partner entered the scene ? – or are their surnames all BROUGHTON but omitted in this website except for daughter Ann ? :

    husband Henry Broughton
    herself Mary Cupitt 1827–1871

    son William Henry Emmett 1849–1905
    daughter Ann Rebecca Broughton 1850–
    son John Joseph Emmett 1857–1930
    daughter Agnes Maria Emmett 1860–1939
    daughter Mary Matilda Emmett 1862–1887

  36. A very interesting family history.
    Hopefully someone will see this thread who has some answers and share/post them.

    Kiama Independent Fri 25 May 1877 p. 2
    flooded state of the Bong Bong River on
    Saturday morning last, a boy named
    Robert Fleeton, in the employ of P. H.
    Throsby, Esq., had a rather narrow escape
    from being drowned. It appears that he
    was engaged driving a buggy and horse,
    conveying milk to the Moss Vale Station,
    and crossed the Bong Bong Bridge and the
    flats each side safely about 10 o’clock. On
    returning in about an hour and a half the
    river had risen considerably; the water
    being about 6 feet deep along the flat
    leading to the approaches; Fleeton got
    almost on to the approaches when a float
    ing log struck the mare, which turned her
    down the river, and after going some dis
    tance the horse and buggy landed upon a
    clump of briar bushes; the driver then
    divested himself of his clothes and with
    some difficulty reached dry land. The
    mare, after remaining in the water for
    about seven hours, was released by a man
    named Henry Emmett, better known as
    Black Harry, little the worse of the adven
    ture. The milk cans and other articles
    were swept out of the buggy and have not
    since been recovered.-Scrutineer.

    • Tanya Whatman

      I have this article too, which again show Henry last name Emmett. His daughter Ann Rebecca (listed as a Broughton above) has her parents as Henry Emmett and Mary Cupitt on her death certificate and is the a direct descendant. Mary Cupitt also had an illegitimate daughter before she married Henry and it is well known because her name was Sophia Jane Neich and she is Donald Bradman’s grandmother. Sophia Neich and her 1/2 sister Ann Rebecca both married Whatman brothers who who are also are relatives as are last name is Whatman. We are there related on both the paternal and maternal side to Donald Bradman. Off topic but well documented.

      • Tanya Whatman

        You me mentioned using DNA to see if there is a link with any Tasmanian aboriginal families? Do you know if there are any groups who are set up who are comparing DNA specific to aboriginal heritage. I know there are some for Hungarian and Irish families.

  37. I think there are on facebook. The shared matches in results are the key.

  38. Emma Olsen

    We have recently found that by grandfathers mother Elma Mary was fostered at birth. We have obtained her birth extract and the mother listed is Mary Scott father is not listed and she was sent to a family in Camperdown, Victoria We are exploring a number of leads. Her birth date is 23 Feb 1889 born in Collingwood. Any assistance and/or advice appreciated. We have the extract of birth entry.

  39. kylydavies

    Hey everyone
    I have noticed this thread has not been active for a little while but still hoping someone might be able to help me.
    I am interested in finding out more about Esther Scott and hopefully deciphering the confusion I currently have.
    This is what I have found so far. Esther Scott could be born to Thomas Scott and Mary Tracey who were both convicts. There is a couple of minor references to an Esther Scott prior to 1819 however notably the christening of Esther Scott where the parents mentioned are named in 1819 is the last time we hear about Thomas, Mary or Esther. The next mention of Esther Scott is in 1827 where Dr Landale has ward of ‘half-caste’ Esther Scott age approx 10.
    Then in 1831 a marriage between an Esther Scott and Henry Brown occurs. There is no clarity from my research on who this Esther Scott is or even if these Esther Scott’s have all been the same person with colonisation doing it’s thing.
    So I am wondering if anyone has any further documents etc. to show the aboriginal status of Esther Scott who married Henry Brown.
    Has anyone done the DNA test through ancestory who are descendants of Esther and Henry who have their aboriginality confirmed. I would love to hear from anyone to help with my confusion. My email address is if that is a preference for contact.
    Looking forward to finding out more.

    • Hello – I hope that DAVID TOWNS replies to you. He has done a lot of work on the Scott genealogies.
      The Esther Scott who married Henry Brown at Evandale is not the Aboriginal woman Esther Scott.
      The only info I (think I) have is: ESTHER SCOTT Born c.1817. Eldest known child of Maria (Aboriginal woman) and John Scott, a sealer, arrived 1791 to Sydney Cove, later lived on King Island where he drowned on 27 September 1843. Siblings: Sarah (1819-1839), Rebecca (c.1820-21-?), Jane (c.1822-?), Thomas (1831-?), Mary Ann (1834-1914), Catherine (Kitty) (1838-1867). Late 1827, “Esther Scott aged 10, Living with Dr Landale, Launceston.” Four years later, 26 Feb 1831, “Dr Landale has one little girl aged about 5 or 6 years of age.” This was Jane Smith, born 22 May 1823, father John Smith (sealer) and mother, a woman of colour, age 7, baptised, 23 Dec. 1830, same place and time as nos.3638, 3639, 3640, three children of Dr. Landale: Jessica, Eliza Ann and Thomas. Refs: TAHO CSO1/918 p.63 (formerly CSO 1/122a) “Adult Custodians Late 1827”, CSO 66/1, CSO 1/240/5809; Plomley,
      N.J.B. & Henley, K.A.,1990, The Sealers of Bass Strait and the Cape Barren Island community, Hobart, Blubber Head Press and THRA
      (Tasmanian Historical Research Association), June-Sept., Vol. 37, p.63; Robinson, George Augustus & Plomley, N. J. B., 2008,
      Friendly Mission: the Tasmanian journals and papers of George Augustus Robinson, 1829-1834 (2nd ed), Queen Victoria Museum and Art
      Gallery: Launceston; Quintus: Hobart, Tasmania , p.478-479.

      • Carol Dennis

        This is so confusing. The Esther Scott that is buried at Evandale (as some know about) died on the 25th January 1878 at the age of 64 years (born in 1814) If this is not the aboriginal half caste Esther, I would really like to know where our family get the aboriginal throw back qualities. DNA is an answer I guess but a bit expensive for a pensioner.

  40. Tanya Whatman

    I’m not sure you are interested in new information I have about Henry Emmett. I know this doesn’t have anything to do with the topic but I see the name Henry James Emmett at the top of the article and I have been trying to connect how my Henry Emmett ties in with Tasmania as he claimed.. My children descend from Henry Emmett married to Mary Cupitt and their marriage was documented in the NSW newspaper because it was apparently very “novel” for the time and said a white women married a semi aboriginal man. I have found the adult baptism for Henry just prior to his marriage that the marriage record alludes too. Henry’s death certificate states he was born in Tasmania and came to Australia at the age of two. I have not been able to verify this information though other than his death certificate. Let me know if you want his baptismal record.
    Kind regards
    Sent from my iPad

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